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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
Post subject: A Happy Starforce Story?
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The UFO: Aftershock demo put Starforce on my computer. I was appropriately
outraged and complained to Cenega, the Czech based publisher. The following
speaks for itself. Well done, Cenega !!
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Hello Andy,
you're right, one sale really does not make a difference. But you are
not hte only one who complained to us about StarForce. Although it is one of
the best copy protection systems from our and developers' point of view,
which is why we chose to use it, we take our present and potential future
costumers seriously and will therefore not use StarForce in our forthcoming
games.
Thanks for telling us
Best regards
Martin Stehlík
International PR manager
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CENEGA PUBLISHING, s.r.o.
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martin.stehlik.DeleteThis@cenega.com
www.cenega.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Brown
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:08 AM
To: stehlik.DeleteThis@cenega.cz
Subject: Another Starforce Complaint
I want to add myself to the list of people who will not buy games that use
Starforce protection.
I realise that one sale is nothing but who knows?, every little bit helps.
I was thinking of buying UFO; Aftershock until I discovered that the demo
(the DEMO?) put Starforce on my computer without telling me. Fortunately,
there are other games that I can buy that don't do this.
Andy Brown |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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Andy Brown wrote:
> The UFO: Aftershock demo put Starforce on my computer. I was appropriately
> outraged and complained to Cenega, the Czech based publisher. The following
> speaks for itself. Well done, Cenega !!
The fact that it got known a couple of days ago that some guy has filed
a 5 million dollar complaint against Ubisoft for installing software
that could potentially harm the security and correct working of his pc
might also have something to do with this  - publishers are starting
to get nervous <evil grin>
... and companies who've been using Starforce are also dreading the M$
Vista release and the deluge of complaints they'll be getting from
people not being able to play their StarForce "protected" games on it.
Their choices : patch the game with an updated StarForce driver for
Vista (which doesn't exist yet and will certainly not be free) or patch
the game by removing StarForce or do nothing. Anyway, I'm starting to
think this is the beginning of the end for StarForce.
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
Post subject: Re: A Happy Starforce Story? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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eddysterckx DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
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> .. and companies who've been using Starforce are also dreading the M$
> Vista release and the deluge of complaints they'll be getting from
> people not being able to play their StarForce "protected" games on it.
> Their choices : patch the game with an updated StarForce driver for
> Vista (which doesn't exist yet and will certainly not be free) or patch
> the game by removing StarForce or do nothing. Anyway, I'm starting to
> think this is the beginning of the end for StarForce.
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx
Well, most current games are guaranteed to work on *Win XP*, not on
Vista (Or Linux, or WinME or Windows2012 etc) so there is not much use
complaining about the lack of forward compatibility.
Also, according to rumour Starforce are already working on a Vista
version...
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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> we take our present and potential future costumers seriously and will
> therefore not use StarForce in our forthcoming games.
....Having enlisted, to help us on this issue, Jim Rose as a consultant...
^_^ |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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Vincenzo Beretta wrote:
> > we take our present and potential future costumers seriously and will
> > therefore not use StarForce in our forthcoming games.
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> ...Having enlisted, to help us on this issue, Jim Rose as a consultant...
> ^_^
LOL - that'll scare away most complainers
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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Giftzwerg wrote:
> In article <e10790$kpq$1@orkan.itea.ntnu.no>, bcd DeleteThis @pvv.ntnu.no says...
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> > >Also, according to rumour Starforce are already working on a Vista
> > >version...
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> > I am of the opinion that it ought to be a doable matter to add a
> > compatibility layer that ensures old Starforce games will keep
> > functioning. It is probably only a matter of time before such a thing
> > is made. If the publishers know what's good for them, they will work
> > with MS to have it built into Vista.
>
> Hmmm. A "compatibility layer" sounds perilously close to a "crack."
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> Yes. Yes. By all means. Give us more "compatibility layers."
Say you're M$ - every day of the week for as long as you can remember
there's a new article in the press about Windows hacked here, IE
vulnarability there and now there's these guys who want you to build a
vulnarability right into the very guts of the OS that was going to put
an end to these stories. Yeah, right.
Otoh M$ has expressed it's intention of becoming the #1 platform for
games - for this they need the game publisher / developers focussing on
the XBox 360/Vista and not on other platforms, so there's certainly a
lot of commercial pressure
Looks to me M$ finds itself between a rock and a hard place on this
issue.
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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eddysterckx.RemoveThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> Andy Brown wrote:
>> The UFO: Aftershock demo put Starforce on my computer. I was appropriately
>> outraged and complained to Cenega, the Czech based publisher. The following
>> speaks for itself. Well done, Cenega !!
>
> The fact that it got known a couple of days ago that some guy has filed
> a 5 million dollar complaint against Ubisoft for installing software
> that could potentially harm the security and correct working of his pc
> might also have something to do with this - publishers are starting
> to get nervous <evil grin>
>
> .. and companies who've been using Starforce are also dreading the M$
> Vista release and the deluge of complaints they'll be getting from
> people not being able to play their StarForce "protected" games on it.
> Their choices : patch the game with an updated StarForce driver for
> Vista (which doesn't exist yet and will certainly not be free) or patch
> the game by removing StarForce or do nothing. Anyway, I'm starting to
> think this is the beginning of the end for StarForce.
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx
>
Although I distrust StarForce because of its stealth tactics and lack of
user control, I have never had a problem with it. (But then again I
don't run CD emulation software or have a burner installed in my
StarForced machine.) I am curious to know how many people have taken up
the offer in the current issue of PC Gamer magazine to contact them (at
pcgamer.RemoveThis@futurenet.co.uk) about StarForce problems which have not been
resolved. I've read many accounts of the physical damage to burners
etc., and how StarForce has allegedly ignored or dismissed users who
report problems to them. Reporting the problem to PC Gamer would allow a
third party with a large readership to check the validity of complaints
and, if justified, put more pressure on StarForce to acknowledge the
issues. So how many of you have sent the details of your problems to PC
Gamer? Or have all the stories evaporated? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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In article <1144230429.538507.51500 DeleteThis @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
von Schmidt <von_schmidt DeleteThis @mail.com> wrote:
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>Well, most current games are guaranteed to work on *Win XP*, not on
>Vista (Or Linux, or WinME or Windows2012 etc) so there is not much use
>complaining about the lack of forward compatibility.
Do you really think that this will stop people from calling the
publisher and wasting their customer support resources complaining
about it, or that it will prevent the publisher from losing
considerable goodwill with its customers?
>Also, according to rumour Starforce are already working on a Vista
>version...
I am of the opinion that it ought to be a doable matter to add a
compatibility layer that ensures old Starforce games will keep
functioning. It is probably only a matter of time before such a thing
is made. If the publishers know what's good for them, they will work
with MS to have it built into Vista.
Cheers
Bent D
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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In article <4433d2d3$0$11069$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
mcv <mcvmcv.RemoveThis@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>Well, you could follow that guy's example and file a 5 million dollar
>lawsuit.
IANAL but it seems like an even huger class action suit might be possible.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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In article <y-SdnTYoGbBLwKnZRVn-gA.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>, rmielech.TakeThisOut@comcast.net
says...
> Anybody who asks for a cite as proof the war is going bad is an idiot.
TRANSLATION: "I *know* the war is going badly! Cindy Sheehan told me
so!!"
> And I don't need a cite to prove THAT point about you. You're going to
> prove it for me if you keep posting here. And it won't take long.
<laughter>
Funny, but you just stopped posting here.
*plonk*
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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"von Schmidt" <von_schmidt DeleteThis @mail.com> wrote in message
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> Well, most current games are guaranteed to work on *Win XP*, not on
> Vista (Or Linux, or WinME or Windows2012 etc) so there is not much use
> complaining about the lack of forward compatibility.
>
> Also, according to rumour Starforce are already working on a Vista
> version...
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> -von Schmidt
>
On the flip side of the coin, a lot of Windows 9x games work in Windows XP,
and it's therefore not unreasonable to expect that the vast majority of
games released from 2004 onwards SHOULD work in Vista. If not, don't expect
a fast adoption rate. |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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In article <e10790$kpq$1@orkan.itea.ntnu.no>, bcd DeleteThis @pvv.ntnu.no says...
> >Also, according to rumour Starforce are already working on a Vista
> >version...
>
> I am of the opinion that it ought to be a doable matter to add a
> compatibility layer that ensures old Starforce games will keep
> functioning. It is probably only a matter of time before such a thing
> is made. If the publishers know what's good for them, they will work
> with MS to have it built into Vista.
Hmmm. A "compatibility layer" sounds perilously close to a "crack."
Yes. Yes. By all means. Give us more "compatibility layers."
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:53:01 GMT, KeithB <nospam.RemoveThis@spambin.net> wrote:
>report problems to them. Reporting the problem to PC Gamer would allow a
>third party with a large readership to check the validity of complaints
>and, if justified, put more pressure on StarForce to acknowledge the
>issues. So how many of you have sent the details of your problems to PC
>Gamer? Or have all the stories evaporated?
Why? I feel guility enough wasting time playing games. You mean, you
want me feel more guility working out the problems too?
Granted I'll miss some games. But so what, my wife's not a trophy
wife either but at least she's convenient, and she makes me happy.
I hear cocaine's good too, but then again Diet Coke works fine with
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:17 am
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:43 am
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In article <AU0Zf.357$Lt.179@fe04.lga>, jburns7000 RemoveThis @yahoo.com says...
> Hmmm I was simply googling Werewolf's and came across this article. The more
> I look over the site the more I think it's a bogus article. Please don't
> hold it against me, LOL, I assumed it was authentic without looking into the
> background of the site which posted it... D'oh!
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> Jim
I don't know all what the site said, but I've heard of The Werewolf's.
That sounds like the right name. The part saying that there was
resistance is definitely true.
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