Fresh harvest on the idiot farm

On Feb 22, 10:07 am, "Ishmaiel" <not_the_b....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 6:50 am, Dylan Parry <use....RemoveThis@dylanparry.com> wrote:
>
> > Morvak wrote:
> > > i dont know where these people come from.
>
> > When a man and his close female relative love each other far too much... <g>
>
> > --
> > Dylan Parryhttp://electricfreedom.org|http://webpageworkshop.co.uk
>
> > The opinions stated above are not necessarily representative of
> > those of my cats. All opinions expressed are entirely your own.
>
> lol
>
> Well, I usually avoid rfc simply because its the *first* instance.
> Which means all the people that will soon get bored and give up are
> trying to do it because they're low enough.
>
> I teach enough at work, I don't have time to teach all the e-tards
> whats painfully obvious.
>
> Really though, its obvious, if the guy who can heal has no blue bar,
> its time to wait. Just like if the guy whos supposed to get all the
> agro has no HP left, its probably a good idea to let him get that up
> as well.

It's because many beginners don't know all the shorthand ways of
saying things. It's not that they're stupid (well, not entirely
anyway) it's that no one has explained things to them. The first time
it happens, whisper (don't shout and don't /p) to explain that the
party message "mana" means to wait until the spellcasters haver
replenished. No only will they typically understand, but they will
often thank you for taking the time to explain it to them.

On Feb 22, 6:46 am, "Morvak" <mor....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> i dont know where these people come from.

They're newbies. Novices. They don't know better.
They don't know that "mana" means "please stop and
come back here while we restore our mana supplies".
Well, they'd know that if they stopped and pondered
what that single noun sentence meant, but they're
in the heat of the moment.

Also, the person may be a newbie in real life. Ie,
someone still in school. Not to rag on kids, some
of them are very mature and upstanding individuals.
But you have to admit, some of them are just plain
clueless when it comes to working as a team or
thinking about others, and quite a large number
of them are poor at self-restraint. (sadly, some
never improve, and grow up to become corporate
executives)

One alternative is to ignore the druid. Let him
get killed. Then resurrect him when you're all
rested up. The one feature of the low level instances
is that players will almost never slow down and wait.
They're still playing the single-player game in
their heads.

But and advantage of Ragefire Chasm is that it's
short enough and easy enough that a bad group will
still survive. I did this as my first instance
a few times, then I did Blackfathom Depths with
another character (2 good runs and 1 disaster).
So I sort of got the impression that things work
out well 75% of the time. Then I had some
characters do Deadmines, and I'm down to about
a 15-25% figure Deadmines is just too long
and hard and has too many tricks for the typical
inexperienced players. Something like Ragefire
Chasm would be better on the alliance side as
the intro-to-instances.

(Did one Deadmines try yesterday, and everyone
scattered after a different enemy as we entered.
I was sure this was going to be "one of those times".
But after my paladin reluctantly decided to be the
tank, everyone seemed to pull together. The times
we wiped because of aggroing too many at once were
because of honest mistakes instead of the typical
problem of charging ahead. And people actually
slowed down and waited for mana to regen! Sadly,
one level 20 mage panicked and left the group
saying "I'm not going to make it in here, I'm
going to die", which left us too underpowered to
finish.)

--
Darin Johnson

Morvak wrote:

> i dont know where these people come from.

When a man and his close female relative love each other far too much... <g>

--
Dylan Parry
http://electricfreedom.org | http://webpageworkshop.co.uk

The opinions stated above are not necessarily representative of
those of my cats. All opinions expressed are entirely your own.

Morvak wrote:

> There was a Tauren Shaman with us

It wasn't me!


> this person was UN-freakin-beLIEVEable! so we kinda all get on the
> same page, but after a rough fight with too many adds, he dies and the
> mage does too. after he rezzes he goes "i'll brb" or something and
> leaves the party. oh wait, sorry, the pally actually let him die.
>
> everyone was : )
>
> the party abandoned the instance after that after the mage said "sorry
> i g2g". *rolls eyes & sighs* but that's another /rant all its own.

lol, you're having my exact experience in nearly every instance run i've
done...it just sucks

On Feb 22, 4:36 pm, "Darin Johnson" <d... RemoveThis @usa.net> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 6:46 am, "Morvak" <mor... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > i dont know where these people come from.
>
> They're newbies. Novices. They don't know better.

I agree. I hate to admit it but I was that person a short time ago, so
its fresh in my memory. A freaking disater of a 1st istance in WC.
Apparently they invited me because they asumed any random shamen
hanging around the Barren would know how to heal for a group. I
didn't. I had never even been in a group other than maybe one other
guy.

First time in an instance, first big group, I guess I should have told
them. But I didn't think it would be so different that the stuff I had
figured out for myself running around the start areas.

Unfortunately, none of it worked. All my favorite fire totems caused
lots of aggro. My best spells pulled the mob off the tank. They'd get
pissed at me for not healing them. I was so busy trying to keep up I
had no time to send them a message. They all knew where they were
going; I'd get lost.

Then the first piece of green gear drops and I see the need/greed/pass
popup for the first time ever - what the HELL is that? what do I do?
Greed sounds bad, do I click Need? I guess so since I need better
gear. They're onto the next room already, so I click need. It was
probably some bind on pickup thing that I couldn't use. One of them
wispers to me "why u do that?". I think, how do I even begin to
explain this? But were on to the next fight already. Then we come to a
chest, evedrybody rolls. Ummm, what do I do now?

Eventually we got wiped. I got booted. And now I was in the graveyard
at crossroads not even sure how to get to my corpse. I don't recal if
I ran back to the instance hoping I could get back in or just spoke to
the spirit healer. But it was a long time before I went into another.

"TomF" <tomfulton DeleteThis @mentor-communications.com> wrote in
news:1172176987.570666.91910@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> It's because many beginners don't know all the shorthand ways of
> saying things. It's not that they're stupid (well, not entirely
> anyway) it's that no one has explained things to them. The first time
> it happens, whisper (don't shout and don't /p) to explain that the
> party message "mana" means to wait until the spellcasters haver
> replenished. No only will they typically understand, but they will
> often thank you for taking the time to explain it to them.

It's funny that /oom hasn't been mentioned in the thread. I've even seen
coffee cups with that printed on them!

Well your mistake was not telling: This is my first instance ever and my
first char ever! I'm sure ppl would help I know I would and I would slow
down look after you (so you dont get lost or pull somehting unwanted). I
dont mind having a new player that is willing to learn, but here is a lot of
ppl that are just bad players that know it all and ppl mostly assume that
rather that thinking oh it's his first char ever and his first instance.
Specially on an old server where ppl assume you are an alt.

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> On Feb 22, 4:36 pm, "Darin Johnson" <d....RemoveThis@usa.net> wrote:
>> On Feb 22, 6:46 am, "Morvak" <mor....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > i dont know where these people come from.
>>
>> They're newbies. Novices. They don't know better.
>
> I agree. I hate to admit it but I was that person a short time ago, so
> its fresh in my memory. A freaking disater of a 1st istance in WC.
> Apparently they invited me because they asumed any random shamen
> hanging around the Barren would know how to heal for a group. I
> didn't. I had never even been in a group other than maybe one other
> guy.
>
> First time in an instance, first big group, I guess I should have told
> them. But I didn't think it would be so different that the stuff I had
> figured out for myself running around the start areas.
>
> Unfortunately, none of it worked. All my favorite fire totems caused
> lots of aggro. My best spells pulled the mob off the tank. They'd get
> pissed at me for not healing them. I was so busy trying to keep up I
> had no time to send them a message. They all knew where they were
> going; I'd get lost.
>
> Then the first piece of green gear drops and I see the need/greed/pass
> popup for the first time ever - what the HELL is that? what do I do?
> Greed sounds bad, do I click Need? I guess so since I need better
> gear. They're onto the next room already, so I click need. It was
> probably some bind on pickup thing that I couldn't use. One of them
> wispers to me "why u do that?". I think, how do I even begin to
> explain this? But were on to the next fight already. Then we come to a
> chest, evedrybody rolls. Ummm, what do I do now?
>
> Eventually we got wiped. I got booted. And now I was in the graveyard
> at crossroads not even sure how to get to my corpse. I don't recal if
> I ran back to the instance hoping I could get back in or just spoke to
> the spirit healer. But it was a long time before I went into another.
>

On Feb 22, 7:46 am, "Morvak" <mor... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> i dont know where these people come from.

This pretty sums up 3 out of 5 instances I do. For it to stand out
enough to post on usenet about it you must normally have pretty good
groups.

And it doesn't get better at higher levels, I've found.

SS.

In article <1172155576.883563.88660 RemoveThis @j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>,
morvak RemoveThis @gmail.com says...
> i can TOTALLY understand not knowing what /p "mana" means the first
> time, but after about 3-4 times, when everyone is saying to you WAIT
> and MANA=WAIT and all that, you're going to really start pissing
> people off lol.

I'm not sure I could understand not knowing it, besides a bit of
intelligence should tell you to wait when your team has exhausted their
mana, something which is readily visible on your screen.

> i dont know where these people come from.

Apparently there is some law against shooting idiots.