FM2009 Patch 9.0.1

On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:18:35 +0000, Toby <toby.briggs RemoveThis @gmail.com>
wrote:

>Mark wrote:
>> The patch for this game is now available from the sigames website.
>
>Never knew the game was out lol

it's SI
the patch always precedes the game

In news:9c8sh4tk8lv7ok56br947029rlomjset3e@4ax.com,
Chris F <chris DeleteThis @asifimtellingyoulot.com>
pulled their thoughts together and came up with:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:18:35 +0000, Toby <toby.briggs DeleteThis @gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Mark wrote:
>>> The patch for this game is now available from the sigames website.
>>
>> Never knew the game was out lol
>
> it's SI
> the patch always precedes the game

I was in GAME today (friday 14th) and they were selling the game. Two young
lads bought one each in front of my eyes. £27.99 they were taking for it!

biz

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:21:58 -0000, " \\¯`·.¸biz¸.·´¯/"
<moc.liamG@aynezib> wrote:

>In news:9c8sh4tk8lv7ok56br947029rlomjset3e@4ax.com,
>Chris F <chris RemoveThis @asifimtellingyoulot.com>
> pulled their thoughts together and came up with:
>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:18:35 +0000, Toby <toby.briggs RemoveThis @gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>> The patch for this game is now available from the sigames website.
>>>
>>> Never knew the game was out lol
>>
>> it's SI
>> the patch always precedes the game
>
>I was in GAME today (friday 14th) and they were selling the game. Two young
>lads bought one each in front of my eyes. £27.99 they were taking for it!
>
>biz
>
a tenner more than i paid for my copy then

On the 14 Nov 2008, Mark <cantremember DeleteThis @cantremember.ner> wrote:

> The patch for this game is now available from the sigames website.

So how many days after release is that this time? It isn't even funny
anymore. FM2009 has just entered my 'Definate No-Buy' list. Might
check out the demos of CM or Premier Manager as I do still want a new
management game.

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Chris F wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:21:58 -0000, " \\¯`·.¸biz¸.·´¯/"
> <moc.liamG@aynezib> wrote:
>
>> In news:9c8sh4tk8lv7ok56br947029rlomjset3e@4ax.com,
>> Chris F <chris.RemoveThis@asifimtellingyoulot.com>
>> pulled their thoughts together and came up with:
>>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:18:35 +0000, Toby <toby.briggs.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark wrote:
>>>>> The patch for this game is now available from the sigames website.
>>>> Never knew the game was out lol
>>> it's SI
>>> the patch always precedes the game
>> I was in GAME today (friday 14th) and they were selling the game. Two young
>> lads bought one each in front of my eyes. £27.99 they were taking for it!
>>
>> biz
>>
> a tenner more than i paid for my copy then

Where did you get yours from? I've not seen it cheaper than £27.99 so far.

On Nov 16, 5:56 pm, Miljenko <milcrnko.spamgoh....DeleteThis@inet.hr> wrote:
> Graham Thurlwell wrote:
> >> The patch for this game is now available from the sigames website.
> > So how many days after release is that this time? It isn't even funny
> > anymore. FM2009 has just entered my 'Definate No-Buy' list.

> I don't see why people are bothered with this. The physical release of
> the game is based on code probably a month old. Hundreds of thousands
> testing the demo will always discover bugs that no in-house or automated
> testing ever would. Would it be better if they waited for another month
> with the patch release? Would you feel it's a better product then?

Getting a patch out on release day is fine but it is always what kind
of patch. If it is like mega-sized not much smaller than the full game
then people would have cause for complaint. But then, the dev guys can
always roll out the excuse, legit or not, the patch needs to include
all the improvements made since the gold candidate. And with high-
speed unmetered INet, fewer are complaining.
Mind you, the real grumble would be releasing a patch to patch the
patch one day after the first patch was released and releasing yet
another patch to patch the first two patchy patches. (Hey, it happened
before! Twice!)

> Releasing the patch on the very day of the release of the game at least
> saves you the trouble of starting a new game after the patch, which is
> sometimes needed for the patch to have full effect.

Ah, but it IS the official line that patches are now savegame
compatible (with a tiny disclaimer to the contrary as a footer in the
readme).

Graham Thurlwell wrote:

>> The patch for this game is now available from the sigames website.

> So how many days after release is that this time? It isn't even funny
> anymore. FM2009 has just entered my 'Definate No-Buy' list. Might
> check out the demos of CM or Premier Manager as I do still want a new
> management game.

I don't see why people are bothered with this. The physical release of
the game is based on code probably a month old. Hundreds of thousands
testing the demo will always discover bugs that no in-house or automated
testing ever would. Would it be better if they waited for another month
with the patch release? Would you feel it's a better product then?
Releasing the patch on the very day of the release of the game at least
saves you the trouble of starting a new game after the patch, which is
sometimes needed for the patch to have full effect.

--
Miljenko [milcrnko at inet dot hr]

np: I'm From Barcelona - Andy
(from: Who Killed Harry Houdini, 2008.)

" \\¯`·.¸biz¸.·´¯/" <moc.liamG@aynezib> wrote in
news:icOdnSWz3_aquYPUnZ2dnUVZ8o-dnZ2d@bt.com:

> In news:9c8sh4tk8lv7ok56br947029rlomjset3e@4ax.com,
> Chris F <chris.DeleteThis@asifimtellingyoulot.com>
> pulled their thoughts together and came up with:
>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:18:35 +0000, Toby <toby.briggs.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>> The patch for this game is now available from the sigames website.
>>>
>>> Never knew the game was out lol
>>
>> it's SI
>> the patch always precedes the game
>
> I was in GAME today (friday 14th) and they were selling the game. Two
> young lads bought one each in front of my eyes. £27.99 they were
> taking for it!
>
> biz
>
>
>

I paid £29.99 for mine from play.com and they delivered it late. Not
impressed with play.com

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:08:07 +0000, Rach <rach.DeleteThis@thisisntmyaddress.org>
wrote:

>Chris F wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:21:58 -0000, " \\¯`·.¸biz¸.·´¯/"
>> <moc.liamG@aynezib> wrote:
>>
>>> In news:9c8sh4tk8lv7ok56br947029rlomjset3e@4ax.com,
>>> Chris F <chris.DeleteThis@asifimtellingyoulot.com>
>>> pulled their thoughts together and came up with:
>>>> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:18:35 +0000, Toby <toby.briggs.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark wrote:
>>>>>> The patch for this game is now available from the sigames website.
>>>>> Never knew the game was out lol
>>>> it's SI
>>>> the patch always precedes the game
>>> I was in GAME today (friday 14th) and they were selling the game. Two young
>>> lads bought one each in front of my eyes. £27.99 they were taking for it!
>>>
>>> biz
>>>
>> a tenner more than i paid for my copy then
>
>Where did you get yours from? I've not seen it cheaper than £27.99 so far.

thehut.com

preordered it months ago for £17.93, and they bumped the price up to
£24.93 not long after.

i did think they'd cancel my order, but they didn't

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:56:58 +0100, Miljenko
<milcrnko.spamgohome.TakeThisOut@inet.hr> wrote:

>Graham Thurlwell wrote:
>
>>> The patch for this game is now available from the sigames website.
>
>> So how many days after release is that this time? It isn't even funny
>> anymore. FM2009 has just entered my 'Definate No-Buy' list. Might
>> check out the demos of CM or Premier Manager as I do still want a new
>> management game.
>
>I don't see why people are bothered with this. The physical release of
>the game is based on code probably a month old. Hundreds of thousands
>testing the demo will always discover bugs that no in-house or automated
>testing ever would. Would it be better if they waited for another month
>with the patch release? Would you feel it's a better product then?
>Releasing the patch on the very day of the release of the game at least
>saves you the trouble of starting a new game after the patch, which is
>sometimes needed for the patch to have full effect.


That is a good argument...but is negated by the fact that there will
be at least 2-3 more patches (bug-fixes, not updates).

-Nick

On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:03:48 +0200, Nick the Greek
<nikko_NOSPAM_.TakeThisOut@in.gr> wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:56:58 +0100, Miljenko
><milcrnko.spamgohome.TakeThisOut@inet.hr> wrote:
>
>>Graham Thurlwell wrote:
>>
>>>> The patch for this game is now available from the sigames website.
>>
>>> So how many days after release is that this time? It isn't even funny
>>> anymore. FM2009 has just entered my 'Definate No-Buy' list. Might
>>> check out the demos of CM or Premier Manager as I do still want a new
>>> management game.
>>
>>I don't see why people are bothered with this. The physical release of
>>the game is based on code probably a month old. Hundreds of thousands
>>testing the demo will always discover bugs that no in-house or automated
>>testing ever would. Would it be better if they waited for another month
>>with the patch release? Would you feel it's a better product then?
>>Releasing the patch on the very day of the release of the game at least
>>saves you the trouble of starting a new game after the patch, which is
>>sometimes needed for the patch to have full effect.
>
>
>That is a good argument...but is negated by the fact that there will
>be at least 2-3 more patches (bug-fixes, not updates).
>
>-Nick

to be fair to SI, they have improved a lot in this respect, i mean
fm08 only had, what, 2 patches?

when you think back to CM3 and the multitude of patches that game
needed that's a massive improvement!

Nick the Greek wrote:

>>I don't see why people are bothered with this. The physical release of
>>the game is based on code probably a month old. Hundreds of thousands
>>testing the demo will always discover bugs that no in-house or automated
>>testing ever would. Would it be better if they waited for another month
>>with the patch release? Would you feel it's a better product then?
>>Releasing the patch on the very day of the release of the game at least
>>saves you the trouble of starting a new game after the patch, which is
>>sometimes needed for the patch to have full effect.

> That is a good argument...but is negated by the fact that there will
> be at least 2-3 more patches (bug-fixes, not updates).

Sure there will, all software gets patched, that wasn't the point here.
My point is that you can't judge the quality of the product simply from
the date a first patch is released.

--
Miljenko [milcrnko at inet dot hr]

np: I'm From Barcelona - Andy
(from: Who Killed Harry Houdini, 2008.)

scythe.DeleteThis@NETVIGATOR.COM wrote:

> Getting a patch out on release day is fine but it is always what kind
> of patch. If it is like mega-sized not much smaller than the full game
> then people would have cause for complaint. But then, the dev guys can
> always roll out the excuse, legit or not, the patch needs to include
> all the improvements made since the gold candidate. And with high-
> speed unmetered INet, fewer are complaining.

Patches really stopped being patches years ago, they're now new versions
of the game. They don't just replace small bits of the original program
anymore, they overwrite it with a new one (and in FM's case the exe is
27Mb). FM patches also usually come with a data update, so when you add
those two up, it will get pretty big.

--
Miljenko [milcrnko at inet dot hr]

np: I'm From Barcelona - Andy
(from: Who Killed Harry Houdini, 2008.)