Enkil Cog Shenanagins

On Fri, 03 July 2009 12:35:21 -0400, Peter D Bakija wrote:

>Right. So it is my turn. My predator comes to bleed me for 10 with his
>Enkil Cog special out of turn action:

>A) I *can* play reaction cards, 'cause someone else is acting.

Right.

>B) I *cannot* play Out of Turn Master cards (i.e. AI), 'cause it is
>still my turn.

Exactly.

>Are both of these correct?

Yes.


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On Jul 3, 4:58 pm, "Matthew T. Morgan" <farq....TakeThisOut@io.com> wrote:
> With Lucian's +3 bleed, he can't really get the Enkil Cog out without
> being AI bait first.

Indeed. If only we all had as many AI's in our decks as Ben had Enkil
Cogs

-Peter

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Peter D Bakija wrote:

> Thanks on both counts! Yaa! I get to be *totally* killed by Lucian the
> Perfect!

With Lucian's +3 bleed, he can't really get the Enkil Cog out without
being AI bait first.

Matt Morgan

On Jul 3, 6:46 pm, The Lasombra <TheLasom....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 July 2009 15:58:45 -0500, "Matthew T. Morgan" wrote:
> >> Thanks on both counts! Yaa! I get to be *totally* killed by Lucian the
> >> Perfect!
> >With Lucian's +3 bleed, he can't really get the Enkil Cog out without
> >being AI bait first.
>
> That's what Night Moves is for...

? When Lucian bleeds with Night Moves, it is a bleed for 4 and
susceptible to AI. Just, when it resolves, if it resolves for more
than 1 the excess is ignored.

On Fri, 3 July 2009 15:58:45 -0500, "Matthew T. Morgan" wrote:

>> Thanks on both counts! Yaa! I get to be *totally* killed by Lucian the
>> Perfect!

>With Lucian's +3 bleed, he can't really get the Enkil Cog out without
>being AI bait first.

That's what Night Moves is for...

On Fri, 3 July 2009 16:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Malone wrote:

>? When Lucian bleeds with Night Moves, it is a bleed for 4 and
>susceptible to AI. Just, when it resolves, if it resolves for more
>than 1 the excess is ignored.

True that.

Same with Cat Burglary and Speed of Thought.

He'll have to have friends with Revelations or Owl Companions then.

The Lasombra wrote:
> On Fri, 3 July 2009 16:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Malone wrote:
>
>> ? When Lucian bleeds with Night Moves, it is a bleed for 4 and
>> susceptible to AI. Just, when it resolves, if it resolves for more
>> than 1 the excess is ignored.
>
> True that.
>
> Same with Cat Burglary and Speed of Thought.
>
> He'll have to have friends with Revelations or Owl Companions then.

Or the Monocle of Clarity. But of course only Revelations really solves the
issue. But it's ok, Lucian himself has AUS so his friends just need it
too...
Found jsut the right crypt !!

I think Read the Winds and Obedience /Enkil Cog are Lucians best
friends

FVicentini wrote:
> I think Read the Winds and
>Obedience /Enkil Cog are Lucians best
> friends

If you meta is full of IG / Psyche fighters, sure. If not and / or if there
are lots of shamblers, Majesty will be better.

On Jul 3, 8:42 pm, The Lasombra <TheLasom... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 July 2009 16:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Malone wrote:
> >?  When Lucian bleeds with Night Moves, it is a bleed for 4 and
> >susceptible to AI.  Just, when it resolves, if it resolves for more
> >than 1 the excess is ignored.
>
> True that.
>
> Same with Cat Burglary and Speed of Thought.
>
> He'll have to have friends with Revelations or Owl Companions then.

He could go on the Path of the Void. That would put him under the
speed limit. Then, once he gets the Cog you might be able to arrange
for him to commit diablerie to remove it.

Brent Ross

On Jul 5, 5:36 am, "Orpheus" <orpheus.TAKEOU....RemoveThis@free.fr> wrote:
> > He could go on the Path of the Void.  That would put him under the
> > speed limit.  Then, once he gets the Cog you might be able to arrange
> > for him to commit diablerie to remove it.
>
> > Brent Ross
>
> Would be great without the "burn a master or tap" part...

Well, yeah, but we all know the correct solution is Revelations (he
can't be grouped with Le Dinh Tho, doesn't have chi for Shattering,
and can't easily fish out a Monocle... but most imporantly, of course,
he has AUS). Still, PotV is the most reasonable way to make Lucian
bleed the speed limit (beating out insane things like Clan
Impersonation Gangrel + Gangrel Atavism)... which says a lot about how
reasonable that approach is here. Putting enough Voids into a deck to
get one early enough to protect yourself from AI until you draw a Cog
is silly... just play more Cogs, Revelations, and/or a smaller deck
and try to get your Cog on quickly before your prey has time to cycle
to an AI.

Still, if you're looking for vampires to consider for a PotV deck,
he'd be a interesting choice (but not the best choice... infernal
vampires ignore that downside) because he can turn his huge intrinsic
bleed into a large intrinsic bleed and intrinsic stealth. You'd be
building the deck to deal with the downside in that case... lots of
masters or giving him a way to untap.

Brent Ross

bwross wrote:
> On Jul 3, 8:42 pm, The Lasombra <TheLasom....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 July 2009 16:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Malone wrote:
>>> ? When Lucian bleeds with Night Moves, it is a bleed for 4 and
>>> susceptible to AI. Just, when it resolves, if it resolves for more
>>> than 1 the excess is ignored.
>>
>> True that.
>>
>> Same with Cat Burglary and Speed of Thought.
>>
>> He'll have to have friends with Revelations or Owl Companions then.
>
> He could go on the Path of the Void. That would put him under the
> speed limit. Then, once he gets the Cog you might be able to arrange
> for him to commit diablerie to remove it.
>
> Brent Ross

Would be great without the "burn a master or tap" part...

bwross schrieb:
> On Jul 5, 5:36 am, "Orpheus" <orpheus.TAKEOU....TakeThisOut@free.fr> wrote:
>>> He could go on the Path of the Void. That would put him under the
>>> speed limit. Then, once he gets the Cog you might be able to arrange
>>> for him to commit diablerie to remove it.
>>> Brent Ross
>> Would be great without the "burn a master or tap" part...
>
> Well, yeah, but we all know the correct solution is Revelations (he
> can't be grouped with Le Dinh Tho, doesn't have chi for Shattering,
> and can't easily fish out a Monocle... but most imporantly, of course,
> he has AUS). Still, PotV is the most reasonable way to make Lucian
> bleed the speed limit (beating out insane things like Clan
> Impersonation Gangrel + Gangrel Atavism)... which says a lot about how
> reasonable that approach is here. Putting enough Voids into a deck to
> get one early enough to protect yourself from AI until you draw a Cog
> is silly... just play more Cogs, Revelations, and/or a smaller deck
> and try to get your Cog on quickly before your prey has time to cycle
> to an AI.

You should also consider Prophecies of Gehenna. Good for checking if you
have to play the Revelations or not.