Deck: Sneaky Brujah Royalty

On Oct 15, 7:30 pm, Pullen <mattp3... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Description: Basic Cam vote deck with obf to get actions threw,
> currently master heavy and would like to drop 3-5 of them, might run a
> few more Parity Shifts but the pool gain is very good and not sure if
> they will be useful, was thinking Helicopter's to get pool down, but
> I'm a little afraid of a high pressure pred. Anyways, any thoughts are
> welcome.
>
> Crypt [12 vampires, average capacity: 8.66667]
> 4x      Adana de Sforza         CEL OBF POT PRE PRO aus         11      Brujah:4        inner
> circle
> 3x      Dmitra Ilyanova         CEL FOR POT PRE obf     9       Brujah:5        justicar
> 3x      Karen Suadela   CEL POT obf pre         7       Brujah:5        prince
> 2x      Tara    POT PRE cel     6       Brujah:5        prince
>
> Library [90 cards]
>
> Master [23]
> 3x      Dreams of the Sphinx
> 1x      Elysium: The Palace of Versailles
> 1x      Giant's Blood
> 2x      Information Highway
> 1x      Monastery of Shadows
> 2x      New Carthage
> 1x      Oxford University, England
> 1x      Temptation of Greater Power
> 1x      Two Wrongs
> 4x      Vessel
> 4x      Villein
> 2x      Wash
>
> Action [7]
> 5x      Enchant Kindred
> 2x      Heart of the City
>
> Action Modifier [23]
> 6x      Cloak the Gathering
> 2x      Enkil Cog
> 3x      Forgotten Labyrinth
> 5x      Perfect Paragon
> 2x      Veil the Legions
> 5x      Voter Captivation
>
> Action Modifier/Combat [4]
> 4x      Resist Earth's Grasp
>
> Political Action [14]
> 5x      Banishment
> 7x      Kine Resources Contested
> 1x      Parity Shift
> 1x      Reins of Power
>
> Reaction [7]
> 7x      Second Tradition: Domain
>
> Combat [12]
> 12x     Majesty

It's all very expensive. What about reducing the cost of the master
cards and also including a couple Dual Forms for multi-acting/breeding?

On Oct 15, 10:51 pm, wedge <matt... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 15, 7:30 pm, Pullen <mattp3... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Description: Basic Cam vote deck with obf to get actions threw,
> > currently master heavy and would like to drop 3-5 of them, might run a
> > few more Parity Shifts but the pool gain is very good and not sure if
> > they will be useful, was thinking Helicopter's to get pool down, but
> > I'm a little afraid of a high pressure pred. Anyways, any thoughts are
> > welcome.
>
> > Crypt [12 vampires, average capacity: 8.66667]
> > 4x      Adana de Sforza         CEL OBF POT PRE PRO aus         11      Brujah:4        inner
> > circle
> > 3x      Dmitra Ilyanova         CEL FOR POT PRE obf     9       Brujah:5        justicar
> > 3x      Karen Suadela   CEL POT obf pre         7       Brujah:5        prince
> > 2x      Tara    POT PRE cel     6       Brujah:5        prince
>
> > Library [90 cards]
>
> > Master [23]
> > 3x      Dreams of the Sphinx
> > 1x      Elysium: The Palace of Versailles
> > 1x      Giant's Blood
> > 2x      Information Highway
> > 1x      Monastery of Shadows
> > 2x      New Carthage
> > 1x      Oxford University, England
> > 1x      Temptation of Greater Power
> > 1x      Two Wrongs
> > 4x      Vessel
> > 4x      Villein
> > 2x      Wash
>
> > Action [7]
> > 5x      Enchant Kindred
> > 2x      Heart of the City
>
> > Action Modifier [23]
> > 6x      Cloak the Gathering
> > 2x      Enkil Cog
> > 3x      Forgotten Labyrinth
> > 5x      Perfect Paragon
> > 2x      Veil the Legions
> > 5x      Voter Captivation
>
> > Action Modifier/Combat [4]
> > 4x      Resist Earth's Grasp
>
> > Political Action [14]
> > 5x      Banishment
> > 7x      Kine Resources Contested
> > 1x      Parity Shift
> > 1x      Reins of Power
>
> > Reaction [7]
> > 7x      Second Tradition: Domain
>
> > Combat [12]
> > 12x     Majesty
>
> I would change Enchant Kindred out for Flurry of Actions
> and Perfect Paragon for Iron Glare

The Enchants are in for speed but Flurry might be better, Perfect
Paragon is stealth for every one but Adana, and I dont really need the
plus bleed but if I drop a few Masters I would throw a few in.

On Oct 16, 12:00 am, brandonsantacruz <brandonsantac....RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Oct 15, 7:30 pm, Pullen <mattp3....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Description: Basic Cam vote deck with obf to get actions threw,
> > currently master heavy and would like to drop 3-5 of them, might run a
> > few more Parity Shifts but the pool gain is very good and not sure if
> > they will be useful, was thinking Helicopter's to get pool down, but
> > I'm a little afraid of a high pressure pred. Anyways, any thoughts are
> > welcome.
>
> > Crypt [12 vampires, average capacity: 8.66667]
> > 4x      Adana de Sforza         CEL OBF POT PRE PRO aus         11      Brujah:4        inner
> > circle
> > 3x      Dmitra Ilyanova         CEL FOR POT PRE obf     9       Brujah:5        justicar
> > 3x      Karen Suadela   CEL POT obf pre         7       Brujah:5        prince
> > 2x      Tara    POT PRE cel     6       Brujah:5        prince
>
> > Library [90 cards]
>
> > Master [23]
> > 3x      Dreams of the Sphinx
> > 1x      Elysium: The Palace of Versailles
> > 1x      Giant's Blood
> > 2x      Information Highway
> > 1x      Monastery of Shadows
> > 2x      New Carthage
> > 1x      Oxford University, England
> > 1x      Temptation of Greater Power
> > 1x      Two Wrongs
> > 4x      Vessel
> > 4x      Villein
> > 2x      Wash
>
> > Action [7]
> > 5x      Enchant Kindred
> > 2x      Heart of the City
>
> > Action Modifier [23]
> > 6x      Cloak the Gathering
> > 2x      Enkil Cog
> > 3x      Forgotten Labyrinth
> > 5x      Perfect Paragon
> > 2x      Veil the Legions
> > 5x      Voter Captivation
>
> > Action Modifier/Combat [4]
> > 4x      Resist Earth's Grasp
>
> > Political Action [14]
> > 5x      Banishment
> > 7x      Kine Resources Contested
> > 1x      Parity Shift
> > 1x      Reins of Power
>
> > Reaction [7]
> > 7x      Second Tradition: Domain
>
> > Combat [12]
> > 12x     Majesty
>
> It's all very expensive. What about reducing the cost of the master
> cards and also including a couple Dual Forms for multi-acting/breeding?

Well, first off, the Dual Form idea would be a completely different
deck, but the Masters are VERY powerful and I can recoup the cost of
them with the Villiens, a little bit of play testing has shown me that
I need a few more Shifts for use against weenies, any alternate
masters for the ones I have?

On Oct 15, 9:43 pm, Pullen <mattp3....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 15, 10:51 pm, wedge <matt....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 15, 7:30 pm, Pullen <mattp3....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Description: Basic Cam vote deck with obf to get actions threw,
> > > currently master heavy and would like to drop 3-5 of them, might run a
> > > few more Parity Shifts but the pool gain is very good and not sure if
> > > they will be useful, was thinking Helicopter's to get pool down, but
> > > I'm a little afraid of a high pressure pred. Anyways, any thoughts are
> > > welcome.
>
> > > Crypt [12 vampires, average capacity: 8.66667]
> > > 4x      Adana de Sforza         CEL OBF POT PRE PRO aus         11      Brujah:4        inner
> > > circle
> > > 3x      Dmitra Ilyanova         CEL FOR POT PRE obf     9       Brujah:5        justicar
> > > 3x      Karen Suadela   CEL POT obf pre         7       Brujah:5        prince
> > > 2x      Tara    POT PRE cel     6       Brujah:5        prince
>
> > > Library [90 cards]
>
> > > Master [23]
> > > 3x      Dreams of the Sphinx
> > > 1x      Elysium: The Palace of Versailles
> > > 1x      Giant's Blood
> > > 2x      Information Highway
> > > 1x      Monastery of Shadows
> > > 2x      New Carthage
> > > 1x      Oxford University, England
> > > 1x      Temptation of Greater Power
> > > 1x      Two Wrongs
> > > 4x      Vessel
> > > 4x      Villein
> > > 2x      Wash
>
> > > Action [7]
> > > 5x      Enchant Kindred
> > > 2x      Heart of the City
>
> > > Action Modifier [23]
> > > 6x      Cloak the Gathering
> > > 2x      Enkil Cog
> > > 3x      Forgotten Labyrinth
> > > 5x      Perfect Paragon
> > > 2x      Veil the Legions
> > > 5x      Voter Captivation
>
> > > Action Modifier/Combat [4]
> > > 4x      Resist Earth's Grasp
>
> > > Political Action [14]
> > > 5x      Banishment
> > > 7x      Kine Resources Contested
> > > 1x      Parity Shift
> > > 1x      Reins of Power
>
> > > Reaction [7]
> > > 7x      Second Tradition: Domain
>
> > > Combat [12]
> > > 12x     Majesty
>
> > I would change Enchant Kindred out for Flurry of Actions
> > and Perfect Paragon for Iron Glare
>
> The Enchants are in for speed but Flurry might be better, Perfect
> Paragon is stealth for every one but Adana, and I dont really need the
> plus bleed but if I drop a few Masters I would throw a few in.

Looking a second time, I would take out the enkil cogs.
Only Adana can play it. your prey is going to focus on not taking her
bleed in the first place And it will make AI a constant threat. And
right now she is not untaping.
replacements
Changling Skin Mask for Tara or any vampire who can 2nd Trad for the 2
extra intercept for a critical stop

you should diversify you obf stealth and add some more
I hate wash and vessel as a rule.
Unless you increase parity shift you cannot afford Temptation of
Greater Power. You may not be able to anyway since you cannot bounce.

removing these cards frees up 9 slots

other card options

grooming the protege
1 DI2
sudden revesal
pentex
scapel tongue
1 lost in translation
obf stealth

wedge wrote:
> I hate wash ... as a rule.

Why?


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Since you're playing with real fatties, I'd add 1 or two lost in
translation, simbly because in case of a block fail, the deck fails...
I'd increase the parity shift rate over the kine ressource conteste
number. Like 5 Parity shift and 3 KRC.

Your pool gain is not that steady. Delaying tactics is always harmful.

On Oct 16, 4:30 am, Pullen <mattp3... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Description: Basic Cam vote deck with obf to get actions threw,
> currently master heavy and would like to drop 3-5 of them, might run a
> few more Parity Shifts but the pool gain is very good and not sure if
> they will be useful, was thinking Helicopter's to get pool down, but
> I'm a little afraid of a high pressure pred. Anyways, any thoughts are
> welcome.
>
> Crypt [12 vampires, average capacity: 8.66667]
> 4x      Adana de Sforza         CEL OBF POT PRE PRO aus         11      Brujah:4        inner
> circle
> 3x      Dmitra Ilyanova         CEL FOR POT PRE obf     9       Brujah:5        justicar
> 3x      Karen Suadela   CEL POT obf pre         7       Brujah:5        prince
> 2x      Tara    POT PRE cel     6       Brujah:5        prince
>
> Library [90 cards]
>
> Master [23]
> 3x      Dreams of the Sphinx
> 1x      Elysium: The Palace of Versailles
> 1x      Giant's Blood
> 2x      Information Highway
> 1x      Monastery of Shadows
> 2x      New Carthage
> 1x      Oxford University, England
> 1x      Temptation of Greater Power
> 1x      Two Wrongs
> 4x      Vessel
> 4x      Villein
> 2x      Wash
>
> Action [7]
> 5x      Enchant Kindred
> 2x      Heart of the City
>
> Action Modifier [23]
> 6x      Cloak the Gathering
> 2x      Enkil Cog
> 3x      Forgotten Labyrinth
> 5x      Perfect Paragon
> 2x      Veil the Legions
> 5x      Voter Captivation
>
> Action Modifier/Combat [4]
> 4x      Resist Earth's Grasp
>
> Political Action [14]
> 5x      Banishment
> 7x      Kine Resources Contested
> 1x      Parity Shift
> 1x      Reins of Power
>
> Reaction [7]
> 7x      Second Tradition: Domain
>
> Combat [12]
> 12x     Majesty

IMHO this deck is not exactly top notch. I would like it to be my prey
any day of the week.

Sorry, had to say that. Now I'm trying to be constructice again.

Your average crypt size is very high. Maybe you could include 2 or 3
smaller guys? Reginald Moore is well worth the 4 pool. Seeing all your
cards are obf and pre, Herbert Westin look like a perfect fit. I
suggest to drop 1 Adana and 1 Tara for these 2.

Now to the library. Don't be afraid to reduce the number of cards in a
deck like this. You will never run out of cards unless your pred plays
a milling deck. If you go to 75 cards you will notice that you draw
your key cards (e.g. New Carthage, Reins of Power) more reliably.

When you say that you should drop master cards you are perfectly right
Aim for a maximum of 18. Ditch Elysium Versailles, Oxford University,
the Vessels and both copies of Wash, add 2 copies of Villen. Your
titles, New Carthage and presence vote push will give you vote lock in
most games. The Vessels are useless in this deck with an enourmous
average capacity. Villein can really save you. If you don't have that
many Villeins try Grooming instead. Last but not least, I doubt that
you can afford the Monastery.

Concerning your actions, if you leave out Helicopter you have don't
have a lot of options for multi-action. Exceptions being Flurry of
Action and Majesty. The latter means that the first action was
blocked, so you don't get any benefit there in terms of more forward
action. So I believe you should run 3 to 5 copies of Flurry. It goes
together very well with New Carthage and Adana's +2 bleed.

Drop Heart of the City and Enchant Kindred. The former is a wasted
action, the latter just doesn't have enough punch if it is the only
action this turn of a 9 or 11 cap.

I like the number of you political action, 14 to 15 is perfect in a
deck like this. Just keep in mind your other options like Ancient
Influence, Neonate Breach, Domain Challenge / Ancilla Empowerment. I
believe you should run at least 3 x Parity Shift.

If you run some copies of Flurry Enkil Cog makes sense. But you don't
really need, so 1 should be enough. I think Veil the Legions is not
the optimal stealth card in his deck. You don't have a lot of vampires
for the superior version, and the vampire playing it needs to be
untapped. Replace with Lost in Crowds or Into Thin Air if you expect a
lot of intercept. The number of Cloaks is quite high, but should be OK
if you include Herbert Westin.

Did you consider True Love's Face? The picture rocks, and it is a
solid cards.

The combat, combo and reaction cards in your deck really look good.
Don't change anything there. Unless you reduce the number of cards to
75...

Kind regards,

pallando

Description: So this is a slightly more stream lined version, dropped
down to 85 cards and 18 masters. Threw in 2 more Parity Shifts and
some Iron Glares for some more ousting power. Also add House of Sorrow
to abuse Dream and Monastery. Still prefer Two Wrongs over Lost in
Translation.

Crypt [12 vampires, average capacity: 8.66667]
4x Adana de Sforza CEL OBF POT PRE PRO aus 11 Brujah:4 inner
circle
3x Dmitra Ilyanova CEL FOR POT PRE obf 9 Brujah:5 justicar
3x Karen Suadela CEL POT obf pre 7 Brujah:5 prince
2x Tara POT PRE cel 6 Brujah:5 prince

Library [85 cards]

Master [18]
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
1x House of Sorrow
2x Information Highway
1x Monastery of Shadows
2x New Carthage
1x Papillon
1x Two Wrongs
6x Villein

Action [5]
5x Flurry of Action

Action Modifier [24]
6x Cloak the Gathering
1x Enkil Cog
3x Forgotten Labyrinth
3x Iron Glare
4x Perfect Paragon
2x Veil the Legions
5x Voter Captivation

Action Modifier/Combat [4]
4x Resist Earth's Grasp

Political Action [15]
5x Banishment
6x Kine Resources Contested
3x Parity Shift
1x Reins of Power

Reaction [7]
7x Second Tradition: Domain

Combat [12]
12x Majesty

Kevin M. wrote:
> wedge wrote:
>> I hate wash ... as a rule.
>
> Why?
>
>


Card text.

best -

chris

On Oct 16, 1:41 am, "Kevin M." <youw... RemoveThis @imaspammer.org> wrote:
> wedge wrote:
> > I hate wash ... as a rule.
>
> Why?


Its limitations have often made me wish I had a sudden instead.
It does very little to impact Anthelios based decks. Yes, it is common
here.
There have been times, with sudden in hand and wish I had a wash, but
those times are few.

On Oct 16, 2:23 am, pallando <marcus.m....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 4:30 am, Pullen <mattp3....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Description: Basic Cam vote deck with obf to get actions threw,
> > currently master heavy and would like to drop 3-5 of them, might run a
> > few more Parity Shifts but the pool gain is very good and not sure if
> > they will be useful, was thinking Helicopter's to get pool down, but
> > I'm a little afraid of a high pressure pred. Anyways, any thoughts are
> > welcome.
>
> > Crypt [12 vampires, average capacity: 8.66667]
> > 4x      Adana de Sforza         CEL OBF POT PRE PRO aus         11      Brujah:4        inner
> > circle
> > 3x      Dmitra Ilyanova         CEL FOR POT PRE obf     9       Brujah:5        justicar
> > 3x      Karen Suadela   CEL POT obf pre         7       Brujah:5        prince
> > 2x      Tara    POT PRE cel     6       Brujah:5        prince
>
> > Library [90 cards]
>
> > Master [23]
> > 3x      Dreams of the Sphinx
> > 1x      Elysium: The Palace of Versailles
> > 1x      Giant's Blood
> > 2x      Information Highway
> > 1x      Monastery of Shadows
> > 2x      New Carthage
> > 1x      Oxford University, England
> > 1x      Temptation of Greater Power
> > 1x      Two Wrongs
> > 4x      Vessel
> > 4x      Villein
> > 2x      Wash
>
> > Action [7]
> > 5x      Enchant Kindred
> > 2x      Heart of the City
>
> > Action Modifier [23]
> > 6x      Cloak the Gathering
> > 2x      Enkil Cog
> > 3x      Forgotten Labyrinth
> > 5x      Perfect Paragon
> > 2x      Veil the Legions
> > 5x      Voter Captivation
>
> > Action Modifier/Combat [4]
> > 4x      Resist Earth's Grasp
>
> > Political Action [14]
> > 5x      Banishment
> > 7x      Kine Resources Contested
> > 1x      Parity Shift
> > 1x      Reins of Power
>
> > Reaction [7]
> > 7x      Second Tradition: Domain
>
> > Combat [12]
> > 12x     Majesty
>
> IMHO this deck is not exactly top notch. I would like it to be my prey
> any day of the week.
>
> Sorry, had to say that. Now I'm trying to be constructice again.
>
> Your average crypt size is very high. Maybe you could include 2 or 3
> smaller guys? Reginald Moore is well worth the 4 pool. Seeing all your
> cards are obf and pre, Herbert Westin look like a perfect fit. I
> suggest to drop 1 Adana and 1 Tara for these 2.
>
> Now to the library. Don't be afraid to reduce the number of cards in a
> deck like this. You will never run out of cards unless your pred plays
> a milling deck. If you go to 75 cards you will notice that you draw
> your key cards (e.g. New Carthage, Reins of Power) more reliably.
>
> When you say that you should drop master cards you are perfectly right
> Aim for a maximum of 18. Ditch Elysium Versailles, Oxford University,
> the Vessels and both copies of Wash, add 2 copies of Villen. Your
> titles, New Carthage and presence vote push will give you vote lock in
> most games. The Vessels are useless in this deck with an enourmous
> average capacity. Villein can really save you. If you don't have that
> many Villeins try Grooming instead. Last but not least, I doubt that
> you can afford the Monastery.
>
> Concerning your actions, if you leave out Helicopter you have don't
> have a lot of options for multi-action. Exceptions being Flurry of
> Action and Majesty. The latter means that the first action was
> blocked, so you don't get any benefit there in terms of more forward
> action. So I believe you should run 3 to 5 copies of Flurry. It goes
> together very well with New Carthage and Adana's +2 bleed.
>
> Drop Heart of the City and Enchant Kindred. The former is a wasted
> action, the latter just doesn't have enough punch if it is the only
> action this turn of a 9 or 11 cap.
>
> I like the number of you political action, 14 to 15 is perfect in a
> deck like this. Just keep in mind your other options like Ancient
> Influence, Neonate Breach, Domain Challenge / Ancilla Empowerment. I
> believe you should run at least 3 x Parity Shift.
>
> If you run some copies of Flurry Enkil Cog makes sense. But you don't
> really need, so 1 should be enough. I think Veil the Legions is not
> the optimal stealth card in his deck. You don't have a lot of vampires
> for the superior version, and the vampire playing it needs to be
> untapped. Replace with Lost in Crowds or Into Thin Air if you expect a
> lot of intercept. The number of Cloaks is quite high, but should be OK
> if you include Herbert Westin.
>
> Did you consider True Love's Face? The picture rocks, and it is a
> solid cards.
>
> The combat, combo and reaction cards in your deck really look good.
> Don't change anything there. Unless you reduce the number of cards to
> 75...
>
> Kind regards,
>
> pallando

I think that this advice is right on. I might skip Enkil Cog because
of AI, it's a real gamble. I might include one Golconda for emergency
pool, plus it combos well with Villein. It works as back-up offense.
Free Majesty is pretty cool (on Adana). She could also do a surprise
Pushing the Limit or Sacrament of Carnage to put down a blocker. Free
RteG(in combat) means you can cycle them pretty well. Flurry is really
good here. I wonder if you need a copy of Specialization in there to
ditch combat cards if people don't block you (dreams for 9 hand size,
burn two Majesties(or excess stealth) for a pool, re-draw and go). Or
use Barrens. You really need Pentex Subversion to either contest or
get rid of blockers. Either that or Sudden.

Something like that.

Brandon

Hm, just had an idea:
Enkil Cog + Homunculus + House of Sorrow. Throw in some Scalpel Tongue
to tap offending voters. Approximation of Loyalty could be good for
bounce/DT. Lost in Translation could work under these conditions if
you can keep the blood flowing.

Brandon

Just as a general reply to all the Pentex/Golconda love, isn't
Banishment more flexible and reliable, and dare I say powerful in vote
decks? Don"t get me wrong, their both powerful and great cards, it's
just I got an 11 cap and I'm voting so Banishment seems better.