DVD will record to TiVo Series 2 but not Series 3 HD

On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, jack ak <akj... RemoveThis @excite.com> wrote:
> jazz... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> > I was able to figure out how to record DVDs onto my new S3 for later
> > viewing using an RF Modulator. However although I was able to record
> > one particular disc onto my old S2, bur not to my S3. Instead I got a
> > message that it will not record 1080p (or a lower p which I can't
> > remember the number) and I also could not get it to transfer from my
> > S2 to S3. I wonder if this means that the S3 will not allow the
> > recording of HD DVD's - I am guessing that the DVD is hi-def or maybe
> > copy protected.
>
> > Any ideas?
>
> The TiVo DVR is not intended for use as a storage device for DVDs.
>
> If you have the DVD, there is no need to store it on the DVR and
> take up space that could be used to store recordable content.

I do not believe that there is a copyright issue here. I store my
DVDs onto TV for convenience. I would still like an answer to my
question without going off on a tangent.

Thanks

jazzpsy.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, jack ak <akj....DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote:
>> jazz....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I was able to figure out how to record DVDs onto my new S3 for later
>>> viewing using an RF Modulator. However although I was able to record
>>> one particular disc onto my old S2, bur not to my S3. Instead I got a
>>> message that it will not record 1080p (or a lower p which I can't
>>> remember the number) and I also could not get it to transfer from my
>>> S2 to S3. I wonder if this means that the S3 will not allow the
>>> recording of HD DVD's - I am guessing that the DVD is hi-def or maybe
>>> copy protected.
>>> Any ideas?
>> The TiVo DVR is not intended for use as a storage device for DVDs.
>>
>> If you have the DVD, there is no need to store it on the DVR and
>> take up space that could be used to store recordable content.
>
> I do not believe that there is a copyright issue here. I store my
> DVDs onto TV for convenience. I would still like an answer to my
> question without going off on a tangent.
>

If there is not a copyright issue, why do you mention it?

I store CDs and DVDs on a shelf using the original container.

As to your question... some things are possible while other
things are not. You have discovered one of the latter.

On 2008-06-30, jack ak <akjack RemoveThis @excite.com> wrote:
> jazzpsy RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, jack ak <akj... RemoveThis @excite.com> wrote:
>>> jazz... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I was able to figure out how to record DVDs onto my new S3 for later
>>>> viewing using an RF Modulator. However although I was able to record
>>>> one particular disc onto my old S2, bur not to my S3. Instead I got a
>>>> message that it will not record 1080p (or a lower p which I can't
>>>> remember the number) and I also could not get it to transfer from my
>>>> S2 to S3. I wonder if this means that the S3 will not allow the
>>>> recording of HD DVD's - I am guessing that the DVD is hi-def or maybe
>>>> copy protected.
>>>> Any ideas?
>>> The TiVo DVR is not intended for use as a storage device for DVDs.
>>>
>>> If you have the DVD, there is no need to store it on the DVR and
>>> take up space that could be used to store recordable content.

Storing it on the DVR is remarkably more convenient. If your
DVR is more sophisticated, the content will take up far less space
than a recording would and have better image and sound quality. The
copy that originated from a DVD is also uncut and commercial free.

OTOH, a sophisticated DVR doesn't need to store anything. Just
point it to some other place on the network where the DVD resides.
This could even be a genuine DVD Jukebox.

Such things exist you know.

A Tivo with Sony Jukebox support would be a killer app.

>>
>> I do not believe that there is a copyright issue here. I store my
>> DVDs onto TV for convenience. I would still like an answer to my
>> question without going off on a tangent.
>>
>
> If there is not a copyright issue, why do you mention it?
>
> I store CDs and DVDs on a shelf using the original container.
>
> As to your question... some things are possible while other
> things are not. You have discovered one of the latter.

It's perfectly possible. Whether or not a Tivo can do it is another matter.

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jazzpsy RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, jack ak <akj... RemoveThis @excite.com> wrote:
>> jazz... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>>> I was able to figure out how to record DVDs onto my new S3 for later
>>> viewing using an RF Modulator. However although I was able to record
>>> one particular disc onto my old S2, bur not to my S3. Instead I got a
>>> message that it will not record 1080p (or a lower p which I can't
>>> remember the number) and I also could not get it to transfer from my
>>> S2 to S3. I wonder if this means that the S3 will not allow the
>>> recording of HD DVD's - I am guessing that the DVD is hi-def or maybe
>>> copy protected.
>>> Any ideas?
>> The TiVo DVR is not intended for use as a storage device for DVDs.
>>
>> If you have the DVD, there is no need to store it on the DVR and
>> take up space that could be used to store recordable content.
>
> I do not believe that there is a copyright issue here. I store my
> DVDs onto TV for convenience. I would still like an answer to my
> question without going off on a tangent.
>
> Thanks

I too have hundreds of DVDs stored on my PC. I either watch through a
media pc attached to the TV or watch the MPEG on my ReplayTV network.
Tivo is totally in bed with the content providers for survival, so you'd
probably have to convert from DVD to Tivo files. With a fast PC the
conversion should take about as long as recording the DVD in real time.

On 2008-06-30, Tony D <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
> jazzpsy.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, jack ak <akj....TakeThisOut@excite.com> wrote:
>>> jazz....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I was able to figure out how to record DVDs onto my new S3 for later
>>>> viewing using an RF Modulator. However although I was able to record
>>>> one particular disc onto my old S2, bur not to my S3. Instead I got a
>>>> message that it will not record 1080p (or a lower p which I can't
>>>> remember the number) and I also could not get it to transfer from my
>>>> S2 to S3. I wonder if this means that the S3 will not allow the
>>>> recording of HD DVD's - I am guessing that the DVD is hi-def or maybe
>>>> copy protected.
>>>> Any ideas?
>>> The TiVo DVR is not intended for use as a storage device for DVDs.
>>>
>>> If you have the DVD, there is no need to store it on the DVR and
>>> take up space that could be used to store recordable content.
>>
>> I do not believe that there is a copyright issue here. I store my
>> DVDs onto TV for convenience. I would still like an answer to my
>> question without going off on a tangent.
>>
>> Thanks
>
> I too have hundreds of DVDs stored on my PC. I either watch through a
> media pc attached to the TV or watch the MPEG on my ReplayTV network.
> Tivo is totally in bed with the content providers for survival, so you'd
> probably have to convert from DVD to Tivo files. With a fast PC the
> conversion should take about as long as recording the DVD in real time.

Nah. It should be much faster than that. A fast PC can convert to divx
at 1.5x the framerate of the original. I can't imagine converting to the
"tivo special format" would be more computationally intensive than that.

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On Jun 30, 4:08 pm, JEDIDIAH <j....RemoveThis@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
> On 2008-06-30, Doug McIntyre <mer....RemoveThis@geeks.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > jazz....RemoveThis@gmail.com writes:
> >>On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, jack ak <akj....RemoveThis@excite.com> wrote:
> >>> jazz....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> > I was able to figure out how to record DVDs onto my new S3 for later
> >>> > viewing using an RF Modulator. However although I was able to record
> >>> > one particular disc onto my old S2, bur not to my S3. Instead I got a
> >>> > message that it will not record 1080p (or a lower p which I can't
> >>> > remember the number) and I also could not get it to transfer from my
> >>> > S2 to S3. I wonder if this means that the S3 will not allow the
> >>> > recording of HD DVD's - I am guessing that the DVD is hi-def or maybe
> >>> > copy protected.
>
> >>> > Any ideas?
>
> >>> The TiVo DVR is not intended for use as a storage device for DVDs.
>
> >>> If you have the DVD, there is no need to store it on the DVR and
> >>> take up space that could be used to store recordable content.
>
> >>I do not believe that there is a copyright issue here. I store my
> >>DVDs onto TV for convenience. I would still like an answer to my
> >>question without going off on a tangent.
>
> > If you are in the US, you have violated the DMCA by doing that.
>
> Nope.
>
> You violate the DMCA by "providing the means to do so".
>
> Unless he's hosting an AnyDVD mirror, or somesuch he's not in violation.
>
> > Thank your congress critter for passing it. Canada's version that is
> > proposed sounds even worse.
>
> > Convenience or not, you no longer get to control your licensed media
> > content...
>
> If he bought it on some physical medium, it's not licensed. It doesn't
> have to be. He gets certain rights from just having a copy. The notion
> that you need rights to use are just nonsense perpetrated by content
> owners (and dupes such as yourself).
>
> Silly things like the Paramount DVD "license" only cover things that
> are a part of copyright law anyways (like public peformance).
>
> As far as the DMCA goes... what's illegal is "providing tools".
>
> Hosting AnyDVD is what's illegal, not using it. Unless you are hosing
> a mirror of AnyDVD, you're probably not any any immediate danger.
>
> Nevermind Tivos. If you can't load your own DVDs onto your own devices
> then there are a lot of Apple (ipod, iphone) users with a lot of money
> that will be raising a meaningful ruckus over the situation.
>
> Although, the RIAA doesn't even need the DMCA to acuse anyone using
> HMO of being a pirate. They will happily make those claims regardless.
>
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> popularity as does an attempt to do some simple date / | \
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HELL-OWWWWE!

What about my original question? Why would I be able to record a DVD
to my TiVo2 but get a message that I can't do that to my TiVo 3. My
guess it has to do with HD.

jazzpsy DeleteThis @gmail.com writes:
>On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, jack ak <akj... DeleteThis @excite.com> wrote:
>> jazz... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
>> > I was able to figure out how to record DVDs onto my new S3 for later
>> > viewing using an RF Modulator. However although I was able to record
>> > one particular disc onto my old S2, bur not to my S3. Instead I got a
>> > message that it will not record 1080p (or a lower p which I can't
>> > remember the number) and I also could not get it to transfer from my
>> > S2 to S3. I wonder if this means that the S3 will not allow the
>> > recording of HD DVD's - I am guessing that the DVD is hi-def or maybe
>> > copy protected.
>>
>> > Any ideas?
>>
>> The TiVo DVR is not intended for use as a storage device for DVDs.
>>
>> If you have the DVD, there is no need to store it on the DVR and
>> take up space that could be used to store recordable content.

>I do not believe that there is a copyright issue here. I store my
>DVDs onto TV for convenience. I would still like an answer to my
>question without going off on a tangent.


If you are in the US, you have violated the DMCA by doing that.
Thank your congress critter for passing it. Canada's version that is
proposed sounds even worse.

Convenience or not, you no longer get to control your licensed media
content...

On 2008-06-30, Doug McIntyre <merlyn.DeleteThis@geeks.org> wrote:
> jazzpsy.DeleteThis@gmail.com writes:
>>On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, jack ak <akj....DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote:
>>> jazz....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > I was able to figure out how to record DVDs onto my new S3 for later
>>> > viewing using an RF Modulator. However although I was able to record
>>> > one particular disc onto my old S2, bur not to my S3. Instead I got a
>>> > message that it will not record 1080p (or a lower p which I can't
>>> > remember the number) and I also could not get it to transfer from my
>>> > S2 to S3. I wonder if this means that the S3 will not allow the
>>> > recording of HD DVD's - I am guessing that the DVD is hi-def or maybe
>>> > copy protected.
>>>
>>> > Any ideas?
>>>
>>> The TiVo DVR is not intended for use as a storage device for DVDs.
>>>
>>> If you have the DVD, there is no need to store it on the DVR and
>>> take up space that could be used to store recordable content.
>
>>I do not believe that there is a copyright issue here. I store my
>>DVDs onto TV for convenience. I would still like an answer to my
>>question without going off on a tangent.
>
>
> If you are in the US, you have violated the DMCA by doing that.

Nope.

You violate the DMCA by "providing the means to do so".

Unless he's hosting an AnyDVD mirror, or somesuch he's not in violation.

> Thank your congress critter for passing it. Canada's version that is
> proposed sounds even worse.
>
> Convenience or not, you no longer get to control your licensed media
> content...

If he bought it on some physical medium, it's not licensed. It doesn't
have to be. He gets certain rights from just having a copy. The notion
that you need rights to use are just nonsense perpetrated by content
owners (and dupes such as yourself).

Silly things like the Paramount DVD "license" only cover things that
are a part of copyright law anyways (like public peformance).

As far as the DMCA goes... what's illegal is "providing tools".

Hosting AnyDVD is what's illegal, not using it. Unless you are hosing
a mirror of AnyDVD, you're probably not any any immediate danger.

Nevermind Tivos. If you can't load your own DVDs onto your own devices
then there are a lot of Apple (ipod, iphone) users with a lot of money
that will be raising a meaningful ruckus over the situation.

Although, the RIAA doesn't even need the DMCA to acuse anyone using
HMO of being a pirate. They will happily make those claims regardless.

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> If you are in the US, you have violated the DMCA by doing that.

No, you are wrong. Fair use applies.

> Thank your congress critter for passing it.

There are all sorts of things they get wrong, this isn't one of them.

> Canada's version that is proposed sounds even worse.

That, is true.

> Convenience or not, you no longer get to control your licensed media
> content...

Only if you follow the incorrect advice like that, found on the Intarwebs.

On 2008-07-01, jazzpsy.DeleteThis@gmail.com <jazzpsy.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 30, 4:08 pm, JEDIDIAH <j....DeleteThis@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>> On 2008-06-30, Doug McIntyre <mer....DeleteThis@geeks.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > jazz....DeleteThis@gmail.com writes:
>> >>On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, jack ak <akj....DeleteThis@excite.com> wrote:
>> >>> jazz....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>> > I was able to figure out how to record DVDs onto my new S3 for later
>> >>> > viewing using an RF Modulator. However although I was able to record
>> >>> > one particular disc onto my old S2, bur not to my S3. Instead I got a
>> >>> > message that it will not record 1080p (or a lower p which I can't
>> >>> > remember the number) and I also could not get it to transfer from my
>> >>> > S2 to S3. I wonder if this means that the S3 will not allow the
>> >>> > recording of HD DVD's - I am guessing that the DVD is hi-def or maybe
>> >>> > copy protected.
>>
>> >>> > Any ideas?
>>
>> >>> The TiVo DVR is not intended for use as a storage device for DVDs.
>>
>> >>> If you have the DVD, there is no need to store it on the DVR and
>> >>> take up space that could be used to store recordable content.
>>
>> >>I do not believe that there is a copyright issue here. I store my
>> >>DVDs onto TV for convenience. I would still like an answer to my
>> >>question without going off on a tangent.
>>
>> > If you are in the US, you have violated the DMCA by doing that.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> You violate the DMCA by "providing the means to do so".
>>
>> Unless he's hosting an AnyDVD mirror, or somesuch he's not in violation.
>>
>> > Thank your congress critter for passing it. Canada's version that is
>> > proposed sounds even worse.
>>
>> > Convenience or not, you no longer get to control your licensed media
>> > content...
>>
>> If he bought it on some physical medium, it's not licensed. It doesn't
>> have to be. He gets certain rights from just having a copy. The notion
>> that you need rights to use are just nonsense perpetrated by content
>> owners (and dupes such as yourself).
>>
>> Silly things like the Paramount DVD "license" only cover things that
>> are a part of copyright law anyways (like public peformance).
>>
>> As far as the DMCA goes... what's illegal is "providing tools".
>>
>> Hosting AnyDVD is what's illegal, not using it. Unless you are hosing
>> a mirror of AnyDVD, you're probably not any any immediate danger.
>>
>> Nevermind Tivos. If you can't load your own DVDs onto your own devices
>> then there are a lot of Apple (ipod, iphone) users with a lot of money
>> that will be raising a meaningful ruckus over the situation.
>>
>> Although, the RIAA doesn't even need the DMCA to acuse anyone using
>> HMO of being a pirate. They will happily make those claims regardless.
>>
>> --
>> Nothing quite gives you an understanding of mysql's |||
>> popularity as does an attempt to do some simple date / | \
>> manipulations in postgres.
>>
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>
> HELL-OWWWWE!
>
> What about my original question? Why would I be able to record a DVD
> to my TiVo2 but get a message that I can't do that to my TiVo 3. My
> guess it has to do with HD.

....since there is a lot of DRM associated with HDTV that would not be
a bad guess. Part of the bargain of being able to use a Cablecard
probably includes the requirement to disable stuff like this.

There's certainly no technical reason for it.

There are plenty of cheap devices these days that will allow you
to get around this limitation. They're cheaper and easier than trying
to add extra storage to any Tivo.

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jazzpsy RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 30, 4:08 pm, JEDIDIAH <j... RemoveThis @nomad.mishnet> wrote:
>> On 2008-06-30, Doug McIntyre <mer... RemoveThis @geeks.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> jazz... RemoveThis @gmail.com writes:
>>>> On Jun 28, 5:26 pm, jack ak <akj... RemoveThis @excite.com> wrote:
>>>>> jazz... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> I was able to figure out how to record DVDs onto my new S3 for
>>>>>> later viewing using an RF Modulator. However although I was able
>>>>>> to record one particular disc onto my old S2, bur not to my S3.
>>>>>> Instead I got a message that it will not record 1080p (or a
>>>>>> lower p which I can't remember the number) and I also could not
>>>>>> get it to transfer from my S2 to S3. I wonder if this means
>>>>>> that the S3 will not allow the recording of HD DVD's - I am
>>>>>> guessing that the DVD is hi-def or maybe copy protected.
>>
>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>

> HELL-OWWWWE!
>
> What about my original question? Why would I be able to record a DVD
> to my TiVo2 but get a message that I can't do that to my TiVo 3. My
> guess it has to do with HD.

Good Guess.. I have both s2 and s3 on a home network, and can record
stuff/xfer dvd's from the puter, but since we got the HD pack from the cable
co, I can record to the s2 or the s3, but not play it back on the other,
same thing if I record HD on the s3/xfer it to the puter/then to the s2 (or
xfer a dvd), it comes up as copy protected.... (may just have settings
different, but since it works, and the s3 looks great, don't really wanna
change anything and screw it up)

while there are some channels that are non hd and also have hd equivalents
(ie for me with comcast, 11 is non hd, but 211 is hd) Some of the premium
channels (like HBO) are hd only and wont xfer/play, if you have a non hd
equivalent try recordiing that instead.... (ie I can record 11 and play on
both, but 211 only plays on the s3)

if a dvd or saved show, I rip from the dvd on my puter, convert stuff to a
plain mpg file instead of that pesky .tivo file, and then I can xfer it to
either the s2 or s3 and play it....