Collectible Class Power Cards

Justin Alexander wrote:

> http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20081023
>
> Wow. I never really took anyone seriously when they predicted that
> WotC would start selling unique powers on individual cards.
> Admittedly, these are being packed non-collectibly with miniatures...
> but they did it.
>
> --
> Justin Alexander
> http://www.thealexandrian.net

This surprises you? I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...

--
Tetsubo
--------------------------------------
"The apparent lesson of the Inquisition is that insistence on
uniformity of belief is fatal to intellectual, moral and spiritual health."
-The Uses Of The Past-, Herbert J. Muller

BLUP

On Dec 31, 4:53 pm, Justin Alexander <jus....TakeThisOut@thealexandrian.net>
wrote:
> http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20081023
>
> Wow. I never really took anyone seriously when they predicted that
> WotC would start selling unique powers on individual cards.
> Admittedly, these are being packed non-collectibly with miniatures...
> but they did it.
>
> --
> Justin Alexanderhttp://www.thealexandrian.net

RIP D&D

Gerald Katz

Hadsil wrote:
> On Dec 31, 4:53 pm, Justin Alexander <jus....DeleteThis@thealexandrian.net>
> wrote:
>> http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20081023
>>
>> Wow. I never really took anyone seriously when they predicted that
>> WotC would start selling unique powers on individual cards.
>> Admittedly, these are being packed non-collectibly with miniatures...
>> but they did it.
>>
>> --
>> Justin Alexanderhttp://www.thealexandrian.net
>
> RIP D&D
>
> Gerald Katz

Well, at least until 5th edition comes out.

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Allen Wessels wrote:

> In article
> <ab358670-e839-4143-bbae-1cf415a804cb.RemoveThis@t39g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Justin Alexander <justin.RemoveThis@thealexandrian.net> wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20081023
>>
>>Wow. I never really took anyone seriously when they predicted that
>>WotC would start selling unique powers on individual cards.
>>Admittedly, these are being packed non-collectibly with miniatures...
>>but they did it.
>
>
> Hasbro makes toys. A lot follows from that simple idea. My guess is
> that you'll see powers on those cards that have a bit more crunch and/or
> utility compared to the base rulebooks.
>
> Forget the idea that the company cares about the game. The game is just
> a marketing tool to sell the toy part, from the Hasbro perspective.
>
> - Allen

Which is why I would prefer that D&D were owned by a gaming company
rather than a toy company. There is a difference and Hasbro doesn't care
that there is.

--
Tetsubo
--------------------------------------
"The apparent lesson of the Inquisition is that insistence on
uniformity of belief is fatal to intellectual, moral and spiritual health."
-The Uses Of The Past-, Herbert J. Muller

BLUP

In article <gjgvcm$t5d$2@news.motzarella.org>,
Tetsubo <tetsubo.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:


> Which is why I would prefer that D&D were owned by a gaming company
> rather than a toy company. There is a difference and Hasbro doesn't care
> that there is.

You don't understand. Modern business grows through mergers and
aquisitions. They get a business, fire all the people who know about
the product and then they run that business into the ground assuming
they can manage and sell any product because they know "how business
works".

Entertainment is particularly tricky in this regard. See also
Electronic Arts.

The problem with another gaming company taking over D&D is that they
would have to reshape it into that companies idea of a good game and
you'd get fail there too.

D&D was a mature product and to move forward as a product it was going
to have to change.

- Allen

In article <gjgpmt$qeg$1@news.motzarella.org>,
Tetsubo <tetsubo RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:

> Justin Alexander wrote:

> > http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20081023

> > Wow. I never really took anyone seriously when they predicted that
> > WotC would start selling unique powers on individual cards.
> > Admittedly, these are being packed non-collectibly with miniatures...
> > but they did it.

> > --
> > Justin Alexander
> > http://www.thealexandrian.net

> This surprises you? I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...

Why stop at one? I know of another on the other coast that's equally
valuable, and has been sold equally often....

Baird

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what makes you think you can drive the rest of the car?"

On Dec 31 2008, 3:53 pm, Justin Alexander <jus....TakeThisOut@thealexandrian.net>
wrote:
> http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20081023
>
> Wow. I never really took anyone seriously when they predicted that
> WotC would start selling unique powers on individual cards.
> Admittedly, these are being packed non-collectibly with miniatures...
> but they did it.

Funny thing is, I don't know a single DM that would ever let anything
like that into his game.

If I don't have the book, you don't use the rules. End of story.

"Baird Stafford" <baird RemoveThis @newstaff.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:baird-F8E192.18424831122008@news.giganews.com...
> In article <gjgpmt$qeg$1@news.motzarella.org>,
> Tetsubo <tetsubo RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Justin Alexander wrote:
>
>> > http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20081023
>
>> > Wow. I never really took anyone seriously when they predicted that
>> > WotC would start selling unique powers on individual cards.
>> > Admittedly, these are being packed non-collectibly with miniatures...
>> > but they did it.
>
>> > --
>> > Justin Alexander
>> > http://www.thealexandrian.net
>
>> This surprises you? I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...
>
> Why stop at one? I know of another on the other coast that's equally
> valuable, and has been sold equally often....

I have the Tower of Pisa and Rome's Coliseum at a discount if you buy the
combo ^^

Allen Wessels wrote:
> In article <gjgvcm$t5d$2@news.motzarella.org>,
> Tetsubo <tetsubo.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Which is why I would prefer that D&D were owned by a gaming company
>>rather than a toy company. There is a difference and Hasbro doesn't care
>>that there is.
>
>
> You don't understand. Modern business grows through mergers and
> aquisitions. They get a business, fire all the people who know about
> the product and then they run that business into the ground assuming
> they can manage and sell any product because they know "how business
> works".

I have yet to see this 'business model' work.

>
> Entertainment is particularly tricky in this regard. See also
> Electronic Arts.
>
> The problem with another gaming company taking over D&D is that they
> would have to reshape it into that companies idea of a good game and
> you'd get fail there too.
>
> D&D was a mature product and to move forward as a product it was going
> to have to change.
>
> - Allen

OK, I can buy that line of thought. But why did it 'change' in a
direction that took it away from being an RPG and towards a direction
that turned it into a tactical miniatures game with a fantasy expansion
pack tacked onto it? One that just happened to be *very* friendly to the
collectable card market? Other gaming companies have shown that actual
role-playing games can still make money.

--
Tetsubo
--------------------------------------
"The apparent lesson of the Inquisition is that insistence on
uniformity of belief is fatal to intellectual, moral and spiritual health."
-The Uses Of The Past-, Herbert J. Muller

BLUP

decalod85 wrote:

> On Dec 31 2008, 3:53 pm, Justin Alexander <jus....TakeThisOut@thealexandrian.net>
> wrote:
>
>>http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20081023
>>
>>Wow. I never really took anyone seriously when they predicted that
>>WotC would start selling unique powers on individual cards.
>>Admittedly, these are being packed non-collectibly with miniatures...
>>but they did it.
>
>
> Funny thing is, I don't know a single DM that would ever let anything
> like that into his game.
>
> If I don't have the book, you don't use the rules. End of story.

Which is a screaming indictment of Hasbro's complete and total lack of
understand of RPGs and their users.

--
Tetsubo
--------------------------------------
"The apparent lesson of the Inquisition is that insistence on
uniformity of belief is fatal to intellectual, moral and spiritual health."
-The Uses Of The Past-, Herbert J. Muller

BLUP

In article <gjih5o$v0f$1@news.motzarella.org>,
Tetsubo <tetsubo RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:


> OK, I can buy that line of thought. But why did it 'change' in a
> direction that took it away from being an RPG and towards a direction
> that turned it into a tactical miniatures game with a fantasy expansion
> pack tacked onto it? One that just happened to be *very* friendly to the
> collectable card market? Other gaming companies have shown that actual
> role-playing games can still make money.

Because they looked at what they had and which products they considered
successful and said "more of this". We want to sell collectable cards
and collectable toys. You people do whatever you think you need to in
order to use our existing IP to open a new market.

And those designers did their best. They completely took the game
apart, kept just a handful of rules and ideas intact and then did their
best to top it with a chasis that looked the same.

What they forgot was that most gamers pop the hood and look at and test
every connection. And as soon as some of us saw the operating specs we
knew what that meant for the game.

They followed the standard business model. Take our basic nuts and
bolts and reinvent things to be attractive to as broad a market segment
as possible.

Thing is, even the best entertainment companies don't know what people
like. Any time you change things you never know if people will take to
it. It's why Hollywood puts out so many remakes.

- Allen

On Jan 1, 2:25 am, decalod85 <decalo....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Dec 31 2008, 3:53 pm, Justin Alexander <jus....TakeThisOut@thealexandrian.net>
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20081023
>
> > Wow. I never really took anyone seriously when they predicted that
> > WotC would start selling unique powers on individual cards.
> > Admittedly, these are being packed non-collectibly with miniatures...
> > but they did it.
>
> Funny thing is, I don't know a single DM that would ever let anything
> like that into his game.
>
> If I don't have the book, you don't use the rules.  End of story.

Some DMs do allow a player to bring his own book. The DM will read it
beforehand, certainly, but the player brings it with him every game
session.

Gerald Katz

decalod85 wrote:
>> http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20081023
>>
>> Wow. I never really took anyone seriously when they predicted that
>> WotC would start selling unique powers on individual cards.
>> Admittedly, these are being packed non-collectibly with miniatures...
>> but they did it.
>
> Funny thing is, I don't know a single DM that would ever let anything
> like that into his game.

Anything like what? An additional character power from a non-PHB
official source?

> If I don't have the book, you don't use the rules. End of story.

Do paper magazines count as "book"? Do articles on the WotC site? Do PDF
magazines from the WotC site?