CNN: Sony's PS3 A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet

On Dec 15, 6:51 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac....RemoveThis@rawbw.com> wrote:
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 The alMIGHTY N <natle....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > There have been reports of RROD with the Falcon chipset. It's not as
> > widespread but "not as widespread" != "gone forever."
>
> Fair enough, but the failure rates of Falcon should hopefully be a lot
> closer to the 2-3%, as opposed to the 30%+ others were claiming with the
> early models.
>
> >> This year, they
> >> also replaced the graphics processor in the 360 with a smaller, less
> >> heat-producing model.
>
> > There are some tech experts who think the Jasper chipset will have all
> > but eradicated the RROD issue but it hasn't been long enough since the
> > release of the first models to really be able to tell.
>
> Well, lower heat is always a good thing for electronics.  I don't think
> you'll ever have a 100% failure free piece of electronic gear (especially
> not at the consumer level) but hopefully failure rates will be much more
> in line with industry expectations.
>
> >> This not only reduces the amount of heat that the
> >> 360 produces, which was a major cause of the RROD, but also makes the 360
> >> even cheaper to produce which is probably why you're seeing Microsoft ship
> >> 2 titles with the Pro and Elite models, as opposed to dropping the price
> >> by about $30-50.
>
> > Do they need to do another price adjustment? I doubt they'd even
> > consider this for at least another half-year or so.
>
> By shoving Kung-Fu Panda and LEGO Indiana Jones into the Pro and Elite
> models, they're essentially giving you between $40 to $80 in games for free
> if you go by what it'd cost you to buy those games separately.  Not a true
> price drop, but you're still getting more for your money than if you
> bought everything separately.

That's just a holiday special, though, like the Marvel/Forza one from
last year. Once those are gone, it'll be back to $200 Arcade models
with no games included.

> I agree we won't see a true price drop on the 360 until Summer/Fall of
> '09.  There was a rumor out of Sony Europe about a price drop scheduled
> for March over there.  I can't imagine Sony not dropping the prices in the
> US at about the same - especially after a punishing Christmas season.

Sony officials are still sticking to the "absolutely no price drops in
the spring" story...

In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 The alMIGHTY N <natlee75 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> There have been reports of RROD with the Falcon chipset. It's not as
> widespread but "not as widespread" != "gone forever."

Fair enough, but the failure rates of Falcon should hopefully be a lot
closer to the 2-3%, as opposed to the 30%+ others were claiming with the
early models.

>> This year, they
>> also replaced the graphics processor in the 360 with a smaller, less
>> heat-producing model.
>
> There are some tech experts who think the Jasper chipset will have all
> but eradicated the RROD issue but it hasn't been long enough since the
> release of the first models to really be able to tell.

Well, lower heat is always a good thing for electronics. I don't think
you'll ever have a 100% failure free piece of electronic gear (especially
not at the consumer level) but hopefully failure rates will be much more
in line with industry expectations.

>> This not only reduces the amount of heat that the
>> 360 produces, which was a major cause of the RROD, but also makes the 360
>> even cheaper to produce which is probably why you're seeing Microsoft ship
>> 2 titles with the Pro and Elite models, as opposed to dropping the price
>> by about $30-50.
>
> Do they need to do another price adjustment? I doubt they'd even
> consider this for at least another half-year or so.

By shoving Kung-Fu Panda and LEGO Indiana Jones into the Pro and Elite
models, they're essentially giving you between $40 to $80 in games for free
if you go by what it'd cost you to buy those games separately. Not a true
price drop, but you're still getting more for your money than if you
bought everything separately.

I agree we won't see a true price drop on the 360 until Summer/Fall of
'09. There was a rumor out of Sony Europe about a price drop scheduled
for March over there. I can't imagine Sony not dropping the prices in the
US at about the same - especially after a punishing Christmas season.

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On Dec 15, 3:43 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac... DeleteThis @rawbw.com> wrote:
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Mr. Stabby <dbate... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah it's a Blu-Ray player, but Blu-Ray releases are $25.  Who wants
> > to pay $150 more for the console and then have to shell out $25 per
> > movie?  Blu-Ray is a LOT better quality than DVD, even on a 42" TV.
> > And Blu-Ray or another HD format has a lot of promise for transfers of
> > old movies, a good film to digital transfer can produce amazing
> > results.
>
> Who's buying blu-ray movies, or even DVDs these days?  Netflix, all the
> way!
>
I agree, I haven't bought one Bluray yet, but I've watched like 30
bluray movies already with my Netflix subscription (and my next 10
movies in the queue are all Bluray). The difference is notable, but
you won't notice it until you see it, which I'm afraid most people
haven't. You can't show the difference in a TV commercial for obvious
reasons, so they can only tell at a store, which is difficult to
notice.
> > Other than price the biggest PS3 problem is the removal of backward
> > compability with PS2.  If you expect people to pay more than any other
> > console, at least throw them a bone and let their old games work on
> > it.
>
> Hear hear!  I would at least be using my PS3 more if it had PS2
> compatibility.  
>
You know, that's what I thought too, so I got a used 60GB PS3 in
craigslist, great price too, but I still haven't put a PS2 game in
it

In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Wolfing <wolfing1 RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree, I haven't bought one Bluray yet, but I've watched like 30
> bluray movies already with my Netflix subscription (and my next 10
> movies in the queue are all Bluray). The difference is notable, but
> you won't notice it until you see it, which I'm afraid most people
> haven't. You can't show the difference in a TV commercial for obvious
> reasons, so they can only tell at a store, which is difficult to
> notice.

Problem is at most stores, their source is usually that compressed digital
demo on a hard drive, and the TVs are connected to massive component video
splitters. Mmm. The HD really lets you enjoy the grainy video! In some
cases, they don't even have the proper aspect ratio setup, so you get all
sorts of weird clipping problems in addition to a relatively poor video
demo.

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:51:25 -0600, Doug Jacobs <djacobs DeleteThis @rawbw.com>
wrote:


>
>By shoving Kung-Fu Panda and LEGO Indiana Jones into the Pro and Elite
>models, they're essentially giving you between $40 to $80 in games for free
>if you go by what it'd cost you to buy those games separately. Not a true
>price drop, but you're still getting more for your money than if you
>bought everything separately.
>
well, the same deal is offered over here, this year's "entertainment
pack" is KFP+Lego Indy+Wireless Pad and is being bundled with just
about every new 360 sold.

however, a lot of retailers here in the UK have been selling this pack
seperately. You can currently pick it up for £19.99 from several
sources, which is a ridiculously good deal since the pad's themselves
usually retail at £30 or more.

>I agree we won't see a true price drop on the 360 until Summer/Fall of
>'09. There was a rumor out of Sony Europe about a price drop scheduled
>for March over there. I can't imagine Sony not dropping the prices in the
>US at about the same - especially after a punishing Christmas season.

Sony's policy in europe has been nothing short of shameful, frankly,
and is why i have still held off buying a PS3.

They never cut the price, they just try and fluff the deal out by
adding a slightly larger hard disk, or throwing in a couple of old
games and claiming it's as good as a price cut, which it isn't at all.

> > Other than price the biggest PS3 problem is the removal of backward
> > compability with PS2. If you expect people to pay more than any other
> > console, at least throw them a bone and let their old games work on
> > it.
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I could be wrong but doesn't the ps3 HAVE an adapter for ps2 games ?

If they don't they WOULD be stupid !

I play MLB '06 (for ps2 .)
Two teams ...the Cubs and the Tigers .

At the rate of about one game a week it'll be MONTHS before
they get to the play-offs !

So what are ps2 players who have time "invested" in certain games
supposed to do ?

Switch back and forth between consoles ?

Wait ...you said "removal" !
of the adapter ?

That WOULD make them morons !!!

> Hear hear!  I would at least be using my PS3 more if it had PS2
> compatibility.  
******************************************************
I just looked around the internet ...there IS an adapter that you can
use to plug your ps2 CONSOLE into the ps3 AND still use your
ps2 controller ...but what the hell ...is the game picture going to
improve ?

Dunno !

tony .

On 17 Dec, 21:50, The Piper at The Gates of Dawn <tm0418....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > Hear hear!  I would at least be using my PS3 more if it had PS2
> > compatibility.  
>
> ******************************************************
> I just looked around the internet ...there IS an adapter that you can
> use to plug your ps2 CONSOLE into the ps3 AND still use your
> ps2 controller ..

No there isn't. I have no idea what it is you have seen, but nothing
like that exists.
The initial generation of PS3's played PS2 games, but this was costing
Sony too much money so they took it out.
Sure, it is stupid but I guess they were losing so much money on each
console sold they had to save costs somehow.

I guess I'm just stupid then . (It wouldn't be the first time ! )

So ...then what's all this then ?

http://electronics.shop.ebay.com/items/Electronics__W0QQ_nkwZps2Q20ada...rQ20for

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:10:40 -0800 (PST), The Piper at The Gates of
Dawn <tm0418222.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I guess I'm just stupid then . (It wouldn't be the first time ! )
>
>So ...then what's all this then ?
>
>http://electronics.shop.ebay.com/items/Electronics__W0QQ_nkwZps2Q20adapterQ20forQ20ps3QQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZR40QQ_mdoZConsumerQ2dElectronicsQQ_sacatZ293

usb adaptors to use dualshock2 pads on the ps3 and vga adaptors to
connect consoles to monitors.

what on earth did you think they were?

On Dec 19, 3:27 am, Chris F <ch....RemoveThis@asifimtellingyoulot.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:10:40 -0800 (PST), The Piper at The Gates of
>
> Dawn <tm0418....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I guess I'm just stupid then . (It wouldn't be the first time ! )
>
> >So ...then what's all this then ?
>
> >http://electronics.shop.ebay.com/items/Electronics__W0QQ_nkwZps2Q20ad...
>
> usb adaptors to use dualshock2 pads on the ps3 and vga adaptors to
> connect consoles to monitors.
>
> what on earth did you think they were?
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My girlfriend thought they might be the latest in vibrator
technology !

"Well, Me Lud !
Guilty as Charged !"

"It's a fair cop ...but society is to blame !"

(Monty Python .)

Luke Curtis wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:28:37 -0600, Doug Jacobs <djacobs.DeleteThis@rawbw.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 AirRaid <airraidfighter.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 1. It's the most expensive console on the market, $150 - $200 more
>>> than its rivals. Even if you believe the video game industry is
>>> "recession-proof" (it isn't), a tanking economy makes consumers more
>>> price-conscious.
>> So much for Sony's claim that "consumers like our prices".
>>
>>> 2. The PS3's big bonus is its ability to double as a Blu-Ray
>>> player. Too bad no one seems to care about hi-def DVDs. The
>>> differences between Blu-Ray and DVD are hard to see on a TV less than
>>> 50".
>> I have to wonder how well those $200 blu-ray players are selling. Is the
>> PS3 losing sales due to them?
>>
>>> 3. The PS3 just doesn't have any must-have titles exclusive to the
>>> console. "LittleBigPlanet" has generated decent buzz but isn't a game-
>>> changer, and neither is Sony's new virtual world "Home."
>> I think we can all agree this is a bit of an exaggeration.
> Is it?
> how many big exclusives has there been? the only recent ones that
> stand out for me are Little Big Planet which is OK but nothing
> special, Metal gear Solid 4 which I thought really was dreadfully
> average and Motor Storm 2 the demo of which looked like more of the
> same and Resistance 2 which I haven't played.
>
>
> Since games are virtually identical on both systems why buy the far
> more expensive system that looks truly horrible and with a dreadful
> network interface?
>
>
>
>> However, I do have wonder why is it that while other PS3 games have come
>> down in price, all of the PS3's exclusives are STILL $60. For example, I
>> was at Fry's last night where the PS3 games are on one side of the aisle,
>> and the 360 games are on the other side.
>>
>> All the games that were cross platform were cheaper such as Oblivion GOTY
>> Edition, and Orange Box. Both were $19.99 on the PS3 and the 360. But
>> exclusive titles, like Ratchet & Clank, Lair, and even Heavenly Sword,
>> were still $60. I just don't get it. 360 exclusives that had been out
>> roughly the same length of time were $40, $30, even $20.
>>
>> That makes no sense to me. Is this due to low sales? But then shouldn't
>> low demand cause lower prices? Counter-wise, shouldn't popular 360 games
>> be even more expensive?
>
> the way around. "Economies of Scale".
>
> If you are a shop buying say Fallout 3 on both systems, 10 of PS3 and
> 50 on the 360 then you negotiate a better price for the 360 because
> you are buying more.
>
>
>
>>> There's really only one option left for Sony to remain in the game:
>>> deep price cuts, and not just for people with good credit. Sony's PS3
>>> A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet, but a $400 console with a mediocre game
>>> library simply cannot compete against an Xbox 360 priced at $200 in
>>> this economy.
>> I'm not even sure Sony can afford a modest price cut, much less dropping
>> prices by $200 or more.
>>
>> It also doesn't help things much when you look at what comes with each
>> console. Both the Wii and 360 now come with at least 1 disc of games and
>> that's before any bundling that the stores are doing. Even the PS3
>> bundles I've seen have been ultra lame this holiday, as most of them
>> simply bundle an extra accessory or two, with little or no overall savings.
>
>
> http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/984740
> 360, 60gig HD, 2 controllers, 3 games - £179


Microsoft Wireless Network Adapter Xbox 360 - £67



Microsoft 12 month Live Gold Xbox 360 - £39

total £285

damn your right £8 cheaper....oh krap...I forgot the gold membership
runs out, keep adding that price, forever.

mk
>

>
> http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/136394
> PS3 80gig HD, 1 controller, 1 game. - £293.60
>
> Until the price of Blu-ray disks come down from there is no reason to
> pay £100 more for a PS3.
>
>
> To make yourself distinctive you need a USP, the 360 has Live, an
> extremely stong and well intergrated network system and the extremely
> innovtive Achievement ystem which gives you a huge reason to keep
> playing, I am playing Fallout 3 and competed it but have been playing
> it to get the full 1000 points - I know the PS3 has the trophies but
> it is all too late, I have or have had 11 PS3 games but only 2 had
> tropy support, Uncharted which I had to restart because it was only
> brought in after a patch and LBP.
>
> -
> XBox 360 GT: Broton69
>

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:13:19 -0600, mikel68 <mikel68 RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>>>> There's really only one option left for Sony to remain in the game:
>>>> deep price cuts, and not just for people with good credit. Sony's PS3
>>>> A Sinking Ship: Sales Plummet, but a $400 console with a mediocre game
>>>> library simply cannot compete against an Xbox 360 priced at $200 in
>>>> this economy.
>>> I'm not even sure Sony can afford a modest price cut, much less dropping
>>> prices by $200 or more.
>>>
>>> It also doesn't help things much when you look at what comes with each
>>> console. Both the Wii and 360 now come with at least 1 disc of games and
>>> that's before any bundling that the stores are doing. Even the PS3
>>> bundles I've seen have been ultra lame this holiday, as most of them
>>> simply bundle an extra accessory or two, with little or no overall savings.
>>
>>
>> http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/984740
>> 360, 60gig HD, 2 controllers, 3 games - £179
>
>
>Microsoft Wireless Network Adapter Xbox 360 - £67

Sigh. you don't *have* to buy it, I have one but never use it since it
is connected via cable - oh and the retail price has gone down you can
find them frequently for £40 now
>
>
>
>Microsoft 12 month Live Gold Xbox 360 - £39
again not essential, I used my 360 for well over a year before even
bothering to upgrade from Silver live - which *is* free - to gold,
which only cost me £25 not £40.

My son plays is not even connected to the net on his, he just plays
Transformers all the time which is not even a multiplayer game!


>
>total £285
>
>damn your right £8 cheaper....oh krap...I forgot the gold membership
>runs out, keep adding that price, forever.
and still 1 more controller and 2 more games than the PS3 - whether
you think the PS3 is good value or not when somebody walks in the shop
and sees the PS3 at double the price of the 360 at virtually identical
performance then is it any surprise they go for the 360?

>
>mk
>>
>
>>
>> http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/136394
>> PS3 80gig HD, 1 controller, 1 game. - £293.60
>>
>> Until the price of Blu-ray disks come down from there is no reason to
>> pay £100 more for a PS3.
>>
>>
>> To make yourself distinctive you need a USP, the 360 has Live, an
>> extremely stong and well intergrated network system and the extremely
>> innovtive Achievement ystem which gives you a huge reason to keep
>> playing, I am playing Fallout 3 and competed it but have been playing
>> it to get the full 1000 points - I know the PS3 has the trophies but
>> it is all too late, I have or have had 11 PS3 games but only 2 had
>> tropy support, Uncharted which I had to restart because it was only
>> brought in after a patch and LBP.
>>
>> -
>> XBox 360 GT: Broton69
>>
-
XBox 360 GT: Broton69

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