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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:06 am
Post subject: Buying and Selling Digital Games Secondhand Market
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It is confirm that publisher will allow to resell digital download
games provide that the original owner must first uninstall the game
Wargamerjack Hideout ( www.wargamerjack.com) will be rolling out a
forum cater for all gamers to advertise their digital games for
selling/buying/trading
When this is out , Wargamerjack Hideout will NO longer sell or buy any
digital games . All transaction , arrangement of delivery , payment
method is strictly between individual buyer and seller. This will
hopefully eliminate any doubts whether we are legitimate trading
center or pirate / warez site as we will not deal with any payment ,
serial number and so on
We however will provide if needed , the link to download the digital
games ( without any serial number) to the buyer on seller behalf
We will charge the seller at nominal fee of $1 per download link as
to cover the server cost
If the game concern is not in our database , we can provide a fast FTP
connection for seller ( minus the serial number) to upload the game
at not extra charge
Hopefully with this forum we can create a secondhand market for
digital download games thus helping gamers to unload those games that
no longer been play , so that more new games can be purchase
So guys if you have tons of digital games and need to sell them ,
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:16 am
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On Dec 31, 10:06 pm, wargamerjack <wargamerj... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> It is confirm that publisher will allow to resell digital download
> games provide that the original owner must first uninstall the game
What we mean here is
It is confirm that publisher will allow gamers to resell digital
download
games provide that the original owner must first uninstall the game |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:42 am
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The forum is ready at www.wargamerjack.com/forum
Start buying and selling
As with effect from now , Wargamerjack Hideout will not sell or buy
any digital games
Happy New Year
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:35 pm
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On Jan 1, 2:27 am, Gandalf Parker
<gand....RemoveThis@the.dead.ISP.of.Community.net> wrote:
> wargamerjack <wargamerj....RemoveThis@gmail.com> contributed wisdom to news:35875f78-
> 8de3-4d52-b000-6963d4364....RemoveThis@w1g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
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> > The forum is ready atwww.wargamerjack.com/forum
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> > Start buying and selling
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> > As with effect from now , Wargamerjack Hideout will not sell or buy
> > any digital games
>
> Im glad that you are getting info on the possible problems involved with
> this.
>
> By the way, you are still going to be responsible for the actions of the
> people on the forums. Being in Malaysia will probably save you lots of
> trouble but the site you have your webpage on at the moment is in the USA..
> You will probably want to post a ton of warnings about legality and do some
> enforcing of it to show that you are at least trying.
>
> Gandalf Parker
Yes and I know it will never be easy as there are a lot of sensitve
area here
I have confirm that the publisher will allow to resell the digital
download as long as the original owner will uninstall the game , so
that I am not breaking any laws here
Next I have to figure a way to prove legality of the games, maybe by
producing receipts from Digital Rivers or something in that line
i know it is a long road and tough one but I am determine to see one
day , we can all sell and buy secondhand digital games without much
fuss
Happy New Year
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:44 pm
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We also have been thinking of only allowing selling and buying of
games that have been release after certain period , maybe a year or so
as to safeguard the developer/publisher interest
We welcome any ideas and critics as well in oder to help us go through
with this vision of creating a secondhand market for digital download
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:14 pm
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On the question of whether the original owner will uninstall the
game ?
Well , I believe wargamers are very different from other type of
gamers like FPS , RTS
They have strong sense of responsibility to the community and they
will try their best to support the developer especially the small one
As such as quoted by Erik Rutins , we rely on customer strong support
that they will uninstall the game before reselling them
Therefore we are looking at two main category why wargamers choose to
resell their games
1) Bored to death with the game and have not touch them for a long
time
2) Bought the game on impulse and regret that the game does not suit
him at all
Also take note funds that wargamers gain from selling those games will
( I am almost 100 % sure) use to buy new games which again will
provide additional revenue to the developers
That my point of view and I am open to critic on this
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:27 pm
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wargamerjack <wargamerjack RemoveThis @gmail.com> contributed wisdom to news:35875f78-
8de3-4d52-b000-6963d43642b3 RemoveThis @w1g2000prm.googlegroups.com:
> The forum is ready at www.wargamerjack.com/forum
>
> Start buying and selling
>
> As with effect from now , Wargamerjack Hideout will not sell or buy
> any digital games
Im glad that you are getting info on the possible problems involved with
this.
By the way, you are still going to be responsible for the actions of the
people on the forums. Being in Malaysia will probably save you lots of
trouble but the site you have your webpage on at the moment is in the USA.
You will probably want to post a ton of warnings about legality and do some
enforcing of it to show that you are at least trying.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:41 pm
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On Jan 1, 12:22 pm, "Alan Bernardo" <virginiaw... RemoveThis @voyageout.com>
wrote:
> "wargamerjack" <wargamerj... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:f3fb821f-ba7c-479d-a0f7-8467c5984d0e@p2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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> > On the question of whether the original owner will uninstall the
> > game ?
>
> > Well , I believe wargamers are very different from other type of
> > gamers like FPS , RTS
>
> > They have strong sense of responsibility to the community and they
> > will try their best to support the developer especially the small one
>
> > As such as quoted by Erik Rutins , we rely on customer strong support
> > that they will uninstall the game before reselling them
>
> > Therefore we are looking at two main category why wargamers choose to
> > resell their games
>
> > 1) Bored to death with the game and have not touch them for a long
> > time
>
> > 2) Bought the game on impulse and regret that the game does not suit
> > him at all
>
> > Also take note funds that wargamers gain from selling those games will
> > ( I am almost 100 % sure) use to buy new games which again will
> > provide additional revenue to the developers
>
> > That my point of view and I am open to critic on this
>
> > Jack
>
> Do you typically reply to your own posts?
>
> Alan
I don't get you ? what do you mean ? I am addressing the point that
will was raised earlier whether the first owner will uninstall the
game before selling
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 4:22 am
Post subject: Re: Buying and Selling Digital Games Secondhand Market [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"wargamerjack" <wargamerjack.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f3fb821f-ba7c-479d-a0f7-8467c5984d0e@p2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On the question of whether the original owner will uninstall the
> game ?
>
> Well , I believe wargamers are very different from other type of
> gamers like FPS , RTS
>
> They have strong sense of responsibility to the community and they
> will try their best to support the developer especially the small one
>
> As such as quoted by Erik Rutins , we rely on customer strong support
> that they will uninstall the game before reselling them
>
> Therefore we are looking at two main category why wargamers choose to
> resell their games
>
> 1) Bored to death with the game and have not touch them for a long
> time
>
> 2) Bought the game on impulse and regret that the game does not suit
> him at all
>
> Also take note funds that wargamers gain from selling those games will
> ( I am almost 100 % sure) use to buy new games which again will
> provide additional revenue to the developers
>
> That my point of view and I am open to critic on this
>
> Jack
>
>
Do you typically reply to your own posts?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:10 am
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On Jan 1, 8:35 pm, "Alan Bernardo" <virginiaw....DeleteThis@voyageout.com> wrote:
> "wargamerjack" <wargamerj....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:180505ed-5abc-4bc2-b0d0-38aeaf9607c1@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Jan 1, 12:22 pm, "Alan Bernardo" <virginiaw....DeleteThis@voyageout.com>
> > wrote:
> >> "wargamerjack" <wargamerj....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:f3fb821f-ba7c-479d-a0f7-8467c5984d0e@p2g2000prf.googlegroups.com....
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> >> > On the question of whether the original owner will uninstall the
> >> > game ?
>
> >> > Well , I believe wargamers are very different from other type of
> >> > gamers like FPS , RTS
>
> >> > They have strong sense of responsibility to the community and they
> >> > will try their best to support the developer especially the small one
>
> >> > As such as quoted by Erik Rutins , we rely on customer strong support
> >> > that they will uninstall the game before reselling them
>
> >> > Therefore we are looking at two main category why wargamers choose to
> >> > resell their games
>
> >> > 1) Bored to death with the game and have not touch them for a long
> >> > time
>
> >> > 2) Bought the game on impulse and regret that the game does not suit
> >> > him at all
>
> >> > Also take note funds that wargamers gain from selling those games will
> >> > ( I am almost 100 % sure) use to buy new games which again will
> >> > provide additional revenue to the developers
>
> >> > That my point of view and I am open to critic on this
>
> >> > Jack
>
> >> Do you typically reply to your own posts?
>
> >> Alan
>
> > I don't get you ? what do you mean ? I am addressing the point that
> > will was raised earlier whether the first owner will uninstall the
> > game before selling
>
> > Jack
>
> Well, I see you had two posts, and you replied twice to each of them. I
> thought maybe you had a thing for responding to your own posts. Oftentimes
> it works just as well if you put all your ideas into one post.
>
> Common sense says that digitally downloaded games can be sold, as long as
> the seller uninstalls the game. More often than not, the seller will
> probably not uninstall. I don't like the idea of selling these digital
> downloads. Anyone who brings up the idea and is on the selling side, is
> only trying to make money by selling a game and then keeping it
> simultaneously, is the way I see it.
>
> Alan
Thanks for the comment
That is the concept that publisher will love you for that
I used to think that when the digital download become available , I
thought it is heaven sent as this will mean a lot of savings for me on
shipping cost as I stay a distance away
But after years of buying digital download games , I begin to realise
how wrong am I ..very wrong indeed
Back on those boxed copy days , at least I can resell those games that
I no longer interested in playing or games that I bought on impulse
that I only spend less than hour playing them .
Now with digital download , these games are actually worth nothing if
the general concept is that reselling them is nothing than a pirate
act or money making scheme
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:19 am
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:35 pm
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"wargamerjack" <wargamerjack DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:180505ed-5abc-4bc2-b0d0-38aeaf9607c1@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 1, 12:22 pm, "Alan Bernardo" <virginiaw... DeleteThis @voyageout.com>
> wrote:
>> "wargamerjack" <wargamerj... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:f3fb821f-ba7c-479d-a0f7-8467c5984d0e@p2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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>>
>>
>> > On the question of whether the original owner will uninstall the
>> > game ?
>>
>> > Well , I believe wargamers are very different from other type of
>> > gamers like FPS , RTS
>>
>> > They have strong sense of responsibility to the community and they
>> > will try their best to support the developer especially the small one
>>
>> > As such as quoted by Erik Rutins , we rely on customer strong support
>> > that they will uninstall the game before reselling them
>>
>> > Therefore we are looking at two main category why wargamers choose to
>> > resell their games
>>
>> > 1) Bored to death with the game and have not touch them for a long
>> > time
>>
>> > 2) Bought the game on impulse and regret that the game does not suit
>> > him at all
>>
>> > Also take note funds that wargamers gain from selling those games will
>> > ( I am almost 100 % sure) use to buy new games which again will
>> > provide additional revenue to the developers
>>
>> > That my point of view and I am open to critic on this
>>
>> > Jack
>>
>> Do you typically reply to your own posts?
>>
>> Alan
>
> I don't get you ? what do you mean ? I am addressing the point that
> will was raised earlier whether the first owner will uninstall the
> game before selling
>
> Jack
Well, I see you had two posts, and you replied twice to each of them. I
thought maybe you had a thing for responding to your own posts. Oftentimes
it works just as well if you put all your ideas into one post.
Common sense says that digitally downloaded games can be sold, as long as
the seller uninstalls the game. More often than not, the seller will
probably not uninstall. I don't like the idea of selling these digital
downloads. Anyone who brings up the idea and is on the selling side, is
only trying to make money by selling a game and then keeping it
simultaneously, is the way I see it.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:41 pm
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On Jan 2, 4:29 am, "Alan Bernardo" <virginiaw... RemoveThis @voyageout.com> wrote:
> "wargamerjack" <wargamerj... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:fc2c1c25-c626-4541-bce4-fc7c40254bf6@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
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> > Some points of interest in reselling software
>
> >http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080522/0016171201.shtml
>
> What's your angle? You know-- motivation.
>
> Your little scheme and insistence on it gives me some bad feelings.
>
> I've always felt that a company or a person who overly advertises something
> knows that something is dreadfully wrong: inundating the public with
> advertising is the only way to connive someone that the product or idea is
> not worthless trash, which oftentimes it is.
>
> And please feel free to comment and then make a few comments on your
> comment.
>
> Alan
Nothing much to advertise about , just a normal gamer that want to
sell games that he no longer play anymore , games that he bought with
honest and hard earn money ...how wrong or trash or even worthless
that idea could be ?
Scheme ? What scheme ? Maybe by telling gamers , " hi , you can
actually resell those games that you no longer want to play ..it is
legal to do " it is want you mean and how do i gain profit by asking
them to resell their games baffles me
It took me a while to figure out why there are no supportive post yet
on this idea but still people email me to sell on their behalf
Some gamers are afraid to post as they might be accuse of supporting
piracy , encourage money making scheme and all sort of things and yet
deep inside they feel how wonderful it is if they could resell their
unwanted games
We will not stop promoting this idea no matter what sort bombardment
we will receive
We plan to go to every single wargamer forums including the publisher
forums and post this idea of telling gamers around the world that you
can actually resell your unwanted games and it perfectl;y legal to so
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:29 pm
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"wargamerjack" <wargamerjack.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Some points of interest in reselling software
>
> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080522/0016171201.shtml
>
What's your angle? You know-- motivation.
Your little scheme and insistence on it gives me some bad feelings.
I've always felt that a company or a person who overly advertises something
knows that something is dreadfully wrong: inundating the public with
advertising is the only way to connive someone that the product or idea is
not worthless trash, which oftentimes it is.
And please feel free to comment and then make a few comments on your
comment.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:17 am
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>Some gamers are afraid to post as they might be accuse of supporting
>piracy , encourage money making scheme and all sort of things and yet
>deep inside they feel how wonderful it is if they could resell their
>unwanted games
Really, I could care less if anyone thinks I'm a pirate, and I doubt I'd be
prosecuted if I were, unless I was selling the games.
>We plan to go to every single wargamer forums including the publisher
>forums and post this idea of telling gamers around the world that you
>can actually resell your unwanted games and it perfectl;y legal to so
Again, I don't give a hoot if it's legal or not. The way I see it, pirating
is just testing a game. If the user thinks a game is good enough, it will
be bought. It's not like the user was intending in the first place to buy
the game pirated. The way I see it, developers profit from piracy. Don't
let them tell you any differently: their reasoning is seriously flawed.
They assume that the pirate will buy their game. They had no intention of
buying the game.
Piracy, in a way, is like clipping coupons, in the sense that the consumer
who clips coupons had no intention of buying the product the coupon is used
for. Likewise the pirate (again, in THIS SENSE), after playing a game he
had no intention of purchusing, may buy a game after playing it.
If the industry-- any industry where piracy is a problem-- would say they
don't like piracy because it's like stealing ideas, I'd go along with that.
But I don't believe them when they say piracy costs them money. That, in
the ol' nutshell, is BS.
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