Bootleg copy

On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 05:01:02 -0800, "goPostal" <none.DeleteThis@dont.try> wrote:

>
>"mark" <marknot.DeleteThis@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
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>>A friend of mine has a server running ut2004. He really does not know
>> what he is doing and as I don't run such a server neither do I. Anyway
>> the question is, is there any way to stop players who have bootleg
>> copies playing on the server. More to the point he knows that there are
>> 2 players with the same gid on his server regularly. Now he knows he
>> could just ban them both but the issue is wider than that, he wants to
>> ban anyone with a copy which is not a legal one, in so far as he can. A
>> good way is to ban ANY duplicate GID.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Mark
>
>How are they getting past the central server verification? Duplicate keys
>should not work.

I'm wondering if maybe it's the same player using different nicks?
Because yeah.... they should not be able to get past the central
server.

"Folk" <Folk.TakeThisOut@folk.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 05:01:02 -0800, "goPostal" <none.TakeThisOut@dont.try> wrote:
>
>>
>>"mark" <marknot.TakeThisOut@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
>>news:el15ne$h01$2$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>A friend of mine has a server running ut2004. He really does not know
>>> what he is doing and as I don't run such a server neither do I. Anyway
>>> the question is, is there any way to stop players who have bootleg
>>> copies playing on the server. More to the point he knows that there are
>>> 2 players with the same gid on his server regularly. Now he knows he
>>> could just ban them both but the issue is wider than that, he wants to
>>> ban anyone with a copy which is not a legal one, in so far as he can. A
>>> good way is to ban ANY duplicate GID.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> Mark
>>
>>How are they getting past the central server verification? Duplicate keys
>>should not work.
>
> I'm wondering if maybe it's the same player using different nicks?
> Because yeah.... they should not be able to get past the central
> server.

I've actually tried to do that. I've run my main box and laptop with the
same key and when I go to the server the second time it gives the "key
already in use" error.

goPostal wrote:
>
> I've actually tried to do that. I've run my main box and laptop with the
> same key and when I go to the server the second time it gives the "key
> already in use" error.

Maybe the 2 nicks are both using demo-clients, which all have the same
GID, if I'm not mistaken.

Ursa..

"MajorUrsa" <majorursa.DeleteThis@iname.com> wrote in message
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> goPostal wrote:
>>
>> I've actually tried to do that. I've run my main box and laptop with the
>> same key and when I go to the server the second time it gives the "key
>> already in use" error.
>
> Maybe the 2 nicks are both using demo-clients, which all have the same
> GID, if I'm not mistaken.
>
> Ursa..

Hadn't thought of demos. Ya, that would work, but isn't the some of the
admin (like banning) disabled in the demo? I can't remember. I treid running
a demo server once upon a time but my uplink was too laggy.

On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:14 goPostal wrote:

> "MajorUrsa" <majorursa RemoveThis @iname.com> wrote in message

>> Maybe the 2 nicks are both using demo-clients, which all have
>> the same GID, if I'm not mistaken.

>
> Hadn't thought of demos. Ya, that would work, but isn't the some
> of the admin (like banning) disabled in the demo? I can't
> remember. I treid running a demo server once upon a time but my
> uplink was too laggy.

Yes, you're probably right. I forgot you need a demo-server to play
with a demo-client. And a demoserver cannot ban players, so that
probably not what the OP meant.

Ursa..

Folk wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 05:01:02 -0800, "goPostal" <none.RemoveThis@dont.try> wrote:
>
>> "mark" <marknot.RemoveThis@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:el15ne$h01$2$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> A friend of mine has a server running ut2004. He really does not know
>>> what he is doing and as I don't run such a server neither do I. Anyway
>>> the question is, is there any way to stop players who have bootleg
>>> copies playing on the server. More to the point he knows that there are
>>> 2 players with the same gid on his server regularly. Now he knows he
>>> could just ban them both but the issue is wider than that, he wants to
>>> ban anyone with a copy which is not a legal one, in so far as he can. A
>>> good way is to ban ANY duplicate GID.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> Mark
>> How are they getting past the central server verification? Duplicate keys
>> should not work.
>
> I'm wondering if maybe it's the same player using different nicks?
> Because yeah.... they should not be able to get past the central
> server.
no its not the same player using different nicks. On this occasion it is
two different players with the same guid. They are playing at the same
time in the same server. It has happened before with he thinks other
players, which is why he wants to go down this route. He could of course
ban the ip address but to ban duplicate GUID (or do I mean GID, bugger
i'm confused now) would be better. Any others would get banned too. Well
thats our way of thinking anyway. Why should I pay for the game and not
others? If we all pay we will get a better deal (well hopefully).
confused

Mark

Major Ursa wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:14 goPostal wrote:
>
>> "MajorUrsa" <majorursa.TakeThisOut@iname.com> wrote in message
>
>>> Maybe the 2 nicks are both using demo-clients, which all have
>>> the same GID, if I'm not mistaken.
>
>> Hadn't thought of demos. Ya, that would work, but isn't the some
>> of the admin (like banning) disabled in the demo? I can't
>> remember. I treid running a demo server once upon a time but my
>> uplink was too laggy.
>
> Yes, you're probably right. I forgot you need a demo-server to play
> with a demo-client. And a demoserver cannot ban players, so that
> probably not what the OP meant.
>
> Ursa..
>
I'm pretty sure its not a demo server but I'll better check anyway.
Could they play if they had a demo version and it was not a demo server?
If the server had only demo maps etc. Although I'm pretty sure its not a
demo server.

Mark

"mark" <marknot RemoveThis @thisaddress.com> wrote in message
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> Major Ursa wrote:
>> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:14 goPostal wrote:
>>
>>> "MajorUrsa" <majorursa RemoveThis @iname.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>> Maybe the 2 nicks are both using demo-clients, which all have
>>>> the same GID, if I'm not mistaken.
>>
>>> Hadn't thought of demos. Ya, that would work, but isn't the some
>>> of the admin (like banning) disabled in the demo? I can't
>>> remember. I treid running a demo server once upon a time but my
>>> uplink was too laggy.
>>
>> Yes, you're probably right. I forgot you need a demo-server to play
>> with a demo-client. And a demoserver cannot ban players, so that
>> probably not what the OP meant.
>>
>> Ursa..
>>
> I'm pretty sure its not a demo server but I'll better check anyway. Could
> they play if they had a demo version and it was not a demo server? If the
> server had only demo maps etc. Although I'm pretty sure its not a demo
> server.
>
> Mark

There are ways to get around the central ID check, but you have to be
running a non-legit game server. AFAIK there are no ways to get into a
regular game without a legal key and absolutely no way to duplicate keys.

goPostal wrote:
> "mark" <marknot.DeleteThis@thisaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:el4sio$456$2$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Major Ursa wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:14 goPostal wrote:
>>>
>>>> "MajorUrsa" <majorursa.DeleteThis@iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>> Maybe the 2 nicks are both using demo-clients, which all have
>>>>> the same GID, if I'm not mistaken.
>>>> Hadn't thought of demos. Ya, that would work, but isn't the some
>>>> of the admin (like banning) disabled in the demo? I can't
>>>> remember. I treid running a demo server once upon a time but my
>>>> uplink was too laggy.
>>> Yes, you're probably right. I forgot you need a demo-server to play
>>> with a demo-client. And a demoserver cannot ban players, so that
>>> probably not what the OP meant.
>>>
>>> Ursa..
>>>
>> I'm pretty sure its not a demo server but I'll better check anyway. Could
>> they play if they had a demo version and it was not a demo server? If the
>> server had only demo maps etc. Although I'm pretty sure its not a demo
>> server.
>>
>> Mark
>
> There are ways to get around the central ID check, but you have to be
> running a non-legit game server. AFAIK there are no ways to get into a
> regular game without a legal key and absolutely no way to duplicate keys.
>
>
Maybe we are misunderstanding some thing then. I cant believe that jolt
would use a non legit server. I'll have to ask him to check again.

Mark

"mark" <marknot RemoveThis @thisaddress.com> wrote in message
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> goPostal wrote:
>> "mark" <marknot RemoveThis @thisaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:el4sio$456$2$830fa795@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> Major Ursa wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday 05 December 2006 15:14 goPostal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "MajorUrsa" <majorursa RemoveThis @iname.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> Maybe the 2 nicks are both using demo-clients, which all have
>>>>>> the same GID, if I'm not mistaken.
>>>>> Hadn't thought of demos. Ya, that would work, but isn't the some
>>>>> of the admin (like banning) disabled in the demo? I can't
>>>>> remember. I treid running a demo server once upon a time but my
>>>>> uplink was too laggy.
>>>> Yes, you're probably right. I forgot you need a demo-server to play
>>>> with a demo-client. And a demoserver cannot ban players, so that
>>>> probably not what the OP meant.
>>>>
>>>> Ursa..
>>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure its not a demo server but I'll better check anyway.
>>> Could they play if they had a demo version and it was not a demo server?
>>> If the server had only demo maps etc. Although I'm pretty sure its not a
>>> demo server.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>
>> There are ways to get around the central ID check, but you have to be
>> running a non-legit game server. AFAIK there are no ways to get into a
>> regular game without a legal key and absolutely no way to duplicate keys.
> Maybe we are misunderstanding some thing then. I cant believe that jolt
> would use a non legit server. I'll have to ask him to check again.
>
> Mark

A pirate server is not a lot of trouble to get running, but you tend to get
a lot of cheaters. Anyone savvy enough to learn how to bootleg a copy of
2004 and get it onto a non-sanctioned private server would tend to have both
the ability and desires to also learn to cheat at the game. Funny thing too
because I've seen a lot of posts in the cheat forums about how to enable
anti-cheat on dark servers.

Am Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:53:13 +0000 schrieb mark:

> A friend of mine has a server running ut2004. He really does not know
> what he is doing and as I don't run such a server neither do I. Anyway
> the question is, is there any way to stop players who have bootleg
> copies playing on the server. More to the point he knows that there are
> 2 players with the same gid on his server regularly. Now he knows he
> could just ban them both but the issue is wider than that, he wants to
> ban anyone with a copy which is not a legal one, in so far as he can. A
> good way is to ban ANY duplicate GID.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Mark

hi,
im not steady, what ure talking about, of corse, u can make a network game,
but u ll never get the online response, as with an actual key.

damn, there are still guys out there, trying to pick my ut2k3 key.

LOL.

Stricken 1000...

Michael Weber wrote:
> Am Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:53:13 +0000 schrieb mark:
>
>> A friend of mine has a server running ut2004. He really does not know
>> what he is doing and as I don't run such a server neither do I. Anyway
>> the question is, is there any way to stop players who have bootleg
>> copies playing on the server. More to the point he knows that there are
>> 2 players with the same gid on his server regularly. Now he knows he
>> could just ban them both but the issue is wider than that, he wants to
>> ban anyone with a copy which is not a legal one, in so far as he can. A
>> good way is to ban ANY duplicate GID.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Mark
>
> hi,
> im not steady, what ure talking about, of corse, u can make a network game,
> but u ll never get the online response, as with an actual key.
>
> damn, there are still guys out there, trying to pick my ut2k3 key.
>
> LOL.
>
> Stricken 1000...
Well this is definitely happening. He has rechecked. There are several
players on our server with the same guid. It happens quite a lot too. I
thought this was not supposed to happen. And yes we are using a genuine
copy for the server. It would be good to keep these thieving bastard out.

Mark