Beat Street fighter without losing a match? Yeah, right.

> Can anybody in here beat any of the first few street fighter games
> without losing a match? I don't care what system it is; be it the
> Genesis, Dreamcast, X-BOX, or PS2. It's just impossible.
>
> I'm trying to unlock bonus content on the Capcom Classics collection.
> Yeah, right. I never get past the fifth round no matter who the fifth
> oppenent is. The Genesis version seems a little easier, but I'm 100%
> sure I can't do it there either.

It's all about the AI patterns, and learning them for each character. I
can beat the entire game without loosing a match, even on level 8
difficulty...but it did take some practice.

Bel
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"dos-man 64" <ChairShot.TakeThisOut@mail.com> wrote in message
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> I'm wondering why they haven't released the version that had Dee J on
> it? My computer is probably way too slow to handle the 30 meg ROM in
> MAME :[
>

Dee Jay Maximum? That's Super Street Fighter II.

Super Street Figher II was released for the Sega Genesis, though it's
probably very hard to find.

Also, look at Capcom Classics Collection volume 2 for the PS2. However, this
collection has Super Street Fighter II Turbo, so the gameplay will be
faster. That said, Super Street Figher II Turbo does also offer a choice of
Turbo 1 (Slow), 2, and 3 (Fast).

On Jan 20, 4:19 am, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
<dwrous....TakeThisOut@nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote:
> "dos-man 64" <ChairS....TakeThisOut@mail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:41921adf-dcc4-454a-aad0-63b0200e5d99@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> [snip...]
>
> > I'm wondering why they haven't released the version that had Dee J on
> > it? My computer is probably way too slow to handle the 30 meg ROM in
> > MAME :[
>
> Dee Jay Maximum? That's Super Street Fighter II.

I remember playing it in the arcade. I don't recall if Dee Jay and the
other new characters were any good.

>
> Super Street Figher II was released for the Sega Genesis, though it's
> probably very hard to find.
>
> Also, look at Capcom Classics Collection volume 2 for the PS2. However, this
> collection has Super Street Fighter II Turbo, so the gameplay will be
> faster. That said, Super Street Figher II Turbo does also offer a choice of
> Turbo 1 (Slow), 2, and 3 (Fast).

I have just ordered this online a few days ago. I'm waiting for it to
arrive. Wouldn't you know it, when I finally decided to part with the
$20 and buy it, all local copies of it had vanished. SIGH.

I'm excited to hear that this is on there. Thanks for the info.

dos-man

On Jan 20, 9:33 am, dos-man 64 <ChairS....DeleteThis@mail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 20, 4:19 am, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
>
> <dwrous....DeleteThis@nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote:
> > "dos-man 64" <ChairS....DeleteThis@mail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:41921adf-dcc4-454a-aad0-63b0200e5d99@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > [snip...]
>
> > > I'm wondering why they haven't released the version that had Dee J on
> > > it? My computer is probably way too slow to handle the 30 meg ROM in
> > > MAME :[
>
> > Dee Jay Maximum? That's Super Street Fighter II.
>
> I remember playing it in the arcade. I don't recall if Dee Jay and the
> other new characters were any good.
>
>
>
> > Super Street Figher II was released for the Sega Genesis, though it's
> > probably very hard to find.
>
> > Also, look at Capcom Classics Collection volume 2 for the PS2. However, this
> > collection has Super Street Fighter II Turbo, so the gameplay will be
> > faster. That said, Super Street Figher II Turbo does also offer a choice of
> > Turbo 1 (Slow), 2, and 3 (Fast).
>
> I have just ordered this online a few days ago. I'm waiting for it to
> arrive. Wouldn't you know it, when I finally decided to part with the
> $20 and buy it, all local copies of it had vanished. SIGH.
>
> I'm excited to hear that this is on there. Thanks for the info.
>
> dos-man

I might check it out on the Genesis too, just out of curiousity. Never
ceases to amaze me what a great job the Genesis did on such a large
number of arcade games.

dos-man

On Jan 20, 1:31 pm, BelPowerslave <b... DeleteThis @whipassgaming.com> wrote:
> >> If you can perform a dragon punch right as he's about to hit you(from
> >> flying off the wall) it does massive damage. I love it when he starts
> >> doing that, because I *always* catch his ass with that.
>
> > That's a good idea. I have to try that. I don't always get that move
> > though. My guys just seem to decide for themselves whether or not they
> > are going to do the hard-to-execute moves. They'll be them and then
> > all of a sudden they'll just stop and refuse to do anything else the
> > rest of the match.
>
> It's probably that PS2 pad, it's not exactly the best for fighting
> games. Could be worse though, could be the 360's pad.
>
> > Yeah, I just love getting grabbed from like 30 feet away. That's
> > great. But my personal favorite is when you kick Ryu in the face and
> > he can still charge up a strong dragon punch before you have time to
> > get a second shot in. Blanka's double-cannon-ball-b4-he-hits-the-
> > ground-once has always been a treat too.
>
> Those are good, but my personal favorite has always been Guile walking
> way the screen towards you, then throwing a Sonic Boom. Good stuff.
>
> Bel
> --
> Whip Ass Gaming:http://www.whipassgaming.com/
>
> "We aim to try."
> - Deputy Clementine Johnson, Reno 911


This comes from the tips section of the capcom classics CD. Something
that I actually did unlock.

"Guile's knee attack (hold back + medium kick) lets him travel forward
while keeping his sonic boom charged. After throwing a sonic boom,
advance with the knee, then throw another one."

This may explain the phenomenon you've described. Of course it doesn't
explain why his spinning leg trip hits you on the second spin when it
couldn't reach you on the first one

dos-man

>> If you can perform a dragon punch right as he's about to hit you(from
>> flying off the wall) it does massive damage. I love it when he starts
>> doing that, because I *always* catch his ass with that.
>
> That's a good idea. I have to try that. I don't always get that move
> though. My guys just seem to decide for themselves whether or not they
> are going to do the hard-to-execute moves. They'll be them and then
> all of a sudden they'll just stop and refuse to do anything else the
> rest of the match.

It's probably that PS2 pad, it's not exactly the best for fighting
games. Could be worse though, could be the 360's pad.

> Yeah, I just love getting grabbed from like 30 feet away. That's
> great. But my personal favorite is when you kick Ryu in the face and
> he can still charge up a strong dragon punch before you have time to
> get a second shot in. Blanka's double-cannon-ball-b4-he-hits-the-
> ground-once has always been a treat too.

Those are good, but my personal favorite has always been Guile walking
way the screen towards you, then throwing a Sonic Boom. Good stuff.

> I'm wondering why they haven't released the version that had Dee J on
> it? My computer is probably way too slow to handle the 30 meg ROM in
> MAME :[

DJ and the other new characters show up in Super Street Fighter II, as
Daniel mentions.

Your computer may very well be able to handle SSF2, be it in MAME or
that specialized CPS2 emulator(can't remember what it's called off the
top of my head). Also, you may try that modified version of MAME that is
said to run much better on slower machines.

Bel
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> Super Street Figher II was released for the Sega Genesis, though it's
> probably very hard to find.

I'm not sure what the rarity of this title is like, but I often times
come across it in the wild. Definitely one of the best conversions on
the Genesis, just an excellent cart.

Bel
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>> Dee Jay Maximum? That's Super Street Fighter II.
>
> I remember playing it in the arcade. I don't recall if Dee Jay and the
> other new characters were any good.

They're all alright, but DJ was especially hip. I actually like T.Hawk
too. Never much cared for Cammy or Fei Long, but that's just personal
preference, they are still decent characters to use.

Bel
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> I might check it out on the Genesis too, just out of curiousity. Never
> ceases to amaze me what a great job the Genesis did on such a large
> number of arcade games.

Oh man, wait until you see it on the Genesis, it's incredible. Capcom
went all the way with this conversion, and it's a whopping *40* megs,
the largest Genesis cart ever. As you've already ordered the PS2
versions, I don't know that it'd be worth the extra money to try this
one, but I guarantee you that you'll do better using the Genesis pad
rather than the PS2's.

Bel
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On Jan 20, 6:49 pm, BelPowerslave <b....DeleteThis@whipassgaming.com> wrote:
> > This comes from the tips section on the capcom collection disc,
> > something I actually did unlock.
>
> > "Guile's knee attack lets him travel forward while keeping his sonic
> > boom charged. After throwing a sonic boom, advance with the knee then
> > throw another one."
>
> > That may explain the phenomenon you have encountered. Of course, does
> > not explain how his leg sweep hits you on the second pass when you
> > were out of reach on the first pass
>
> Yeah, I knew about this...but the thing is, the AI won't do the forward
> knee, it just simply walks Guile halfway across the screen to throw a
> Sonic Boom. Another cheap ass thing AI Guile will do is break out a
> Flash Kick without even charging, like he's just standing up(or even
> walking) and does it.
>
> > I tried using him, but he
> > just sucked. He was OK until he got up to Blanka. Way too fast, no
> > time to "charge up" his various moves. Of course, Blanka doesn't do so
> > hot himself when you use him. He's completely useless against Zangief.
> > Yikes.
>
> Charge characters, in my experience, have to be played with a solid
> split of offense and defense...trying to do just one of both will get
> you killed quickly. I do quite well with Guile, but I do even better
> with Charlie(SFA series). Blanka has always been fun, especially once
> they added his upward spinning attack.
>
> Bel
> --
> Whip Ass Gaming:http://www.whipassgaming.com/
>
> "We aim to try."
> - Deputy Clementine Johnson, Reno 911

On Jan 20, 6:49 pm, BelPowerslave <b... RemoveThis @whipassgaming.com> wrote:
> > This comes from the tips section on the capcom collection disc,
> > something I actually did unlock.
>
> > "Guile's knee attack lets him travel forward while keeping his sonic
> > boom charged. After throwing a sonic boom, advance with the knee then
> > throw another one."
>
> > That may explain the phenomenon you have encountered. Of course, does
> > not explain how his leg sweep hits you on the second pass when you
> > were out of reach on the first pass
>
> Yeah, I knew about this...but the thing is, the AI won't do the forward
> knee, it just simply walks Guile halfway across the screen to throw a
> Sonic Boom. Another cheap ass thing AI Guile will do is break out a
> Flash Kick without even charging, like he's just standing up(or even
> walking) and does it.
>
> > I tried using him, but he
> > just sucked. He was OK until he got up to Blanka. Way too fast, no
> > time to "charge up" his various moves. Of course, Blanka doesn't do so
> > hot himself when you use him. He's completely useless against Zangief.
> > Yikes.
>
> Charge characters, in my experience, have to be played with a solid
> split of offense and defense...trying to do just one of both will get
> you killed quickly. I do quite well with Guile, but I do even better
> with Charlie(SFA series). Blanka has always been fun, especially once
> they added his upward spinning attack.
>
> Bel
> --
> Whip Ass Gaming:http://www.whipassgaming.com/
>
> "We aim to try."
> - Deputy Clementine Johnson, Reno 911

I guess it isn't a cheat that is computer exclusive, but it's
ridiculous that Dalsim can be hit by the dragon punch when he is
crawling around on his stomach and punching his opponents feet. It's
cheap! It really hurts Dalsim. He'd be quite to use if this weren't
the case.

I'm doing a bit better right now. I got up match 6 or 7 without
losing. E Honda really becomes a problem at these levels. Just a few
unimpressive looking slaps and suddenly you realize these have taken
almost all of your energy. Aargh.

dos-man

> This comes from the tips section on the capcom collection disc,
> something I actually did unlock.
>
> "Guile's knee attack lets him travel forward while keeping his sonic
> boom charged. After throwing a sonic boom, advance with the knee then
> throw another one."
>
> That may explain the phenomenon you have encountered. Of course, does
> not explain how his leg sweep hits you on the second pass when you
> were out of reach on the first pass

Yeah, I knew about this...but the thing is, the AI won't do the forward
knee, it just simply walks Guile halfway across the screen to throw a
Sonic Boom. Another cheap ass thing AI Guile will do is break out a
Flash Kick without even charging, like he's just standing up(or even
walking) and does it.

> I tried using him, but he
> just sucked. He was OK until he got up to Blanka. Way too fast, no
> time to "charge up" his various moves. Of course, Blanka doesn't do so
> hot himself when you use him. He's completely useless against Zangief.
> Yikes.

Charge characters, in my experience, have to be played with a solid
split of offense and defense...trying to do just one of both will get
you killed quickly. I do quite well with Guile, but I do even better
with Charlie(SFA series). Blanka has always been fun, especially once
they added his upward spinning attack.

Bel
--
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"We aim to try."
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"dos-man 64" <ChairShot.RemoveThis@mail.com> wrote in message
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> Can anybody in here beat any of the first few street fighter games
> without losing a match? I don't care what system it is; be it the
> Genesis, Dreamcast, X-BOX, or PS2. It's just impossible.
>
> I'm trying to unlock bonus content on the Capcom Classics collection.
> Yeah, right. I never get past the fifth round no matter who the fifth
> oppenent is. The Genesis version seems a little easier, but I'm 100%
> sure I can't do it there either.
>
> dos-man

Are you talking about losing a MATCH, or a ROUND? I've beat SF2: SCE
countless times on 8 stars without actually losing a match. Losing a round,
I'm not sure if I ever did.