BS Reviews?

No.Thanks DeleteThis @Here.com () wrote:

> Okay, so where are all your reviews of this sim?

I only fire it up and try to fly around. It's fun... though I must admit the
extremely fragile blades are starting to get on my nerves. You can be flying quite
gently, make the wrong combination of control changes, and suddenly you're shedding
blades faster than a knife amnesty in Brixton.

From what I've seen of the AI flying and fighting I see no evidence of any obvious
changes in the external world from Flaming Cliffs. The cockpit and flight model of
the Black Shark is a major achievement though, I have to give them that.

Andrew McP

"Andrew MacPherson" <mcp.andrew DeleteThis @DELETTHISgmail.com> wrote in message
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> No.Thanks DeleteThis @Here.com () wrote:
> From what I've seen of the AI flying and fighting I see no evidence of any
> obvious
> changes in the external world from Flaming Cliffs.

It is mostly in a completely different geographical area than FC (east of
the Crimea Peninsula). The game world has been expanded considerably. There
are some very mountainous areas now. The terrain is also higher detailed
because it is designed for low flying and not 20k in the air. I can't give a
review though because I am still learning how to fly well.

On 2008-12-17, No.Thanks.RemoveThis@Here.com <No.Thanks.RemoveThis@Here.com> wrote:
> Okay, so where are all your reviews of this sim? Is it because it's so
> detailed that people haven't gotten that far into it yet?

It's a real study sim - I can imagine still learning things months
from now. Especially as I bought the Russian version just a few days
before they suprised us with an early english version. Not
understanding Russian, I can't make use of the training tracks.

I suspect that there will be more discussion when the DVD version
comes out in the stores.

> So are there many/any noticeable improvements over FC that you can
> visually see?

It does look better than FC but it's not a spectacular change to my
eyes. For me the visuals are good enough - it's the first new high
fidelity combat flight sim to come out for quite a while so it was a
"must buy" for me.

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Scatter
Virtual Australian Airforce http://www.vaaf.net
Australian Black Shark multiplier squadron now recruiting

R wrote:

> It does look better than FC but it's not a spectacular change to my
> eyes. For me the visuals are good enough - it's the first new high
> fidelity combat flight sim to come out for quite a while so it was a
> "must buy" for me.
>

Next up is Rise of Flight which is a high fidelity WWI flight sim.

On 2008-12-22, Jonathan Mars <JM RemoveThis @here.invalid> wrote:
> Next up is Rise of Flight which is a high fidelity WWI flight sim.

I'm sure I'll buy that too but in reality I prefer sims portraying
modern aircraft. In delighted that the next DCS module was changed
from the A10a to the A10c. I only hope that they change the Apache
model A to a longbow as well.

A lot of people prefer lower tech aircraft though - IL2 was far more
popular online than sims like LOMAC/FC. I think the popularity stems
from the ease of gameplay - at its most basic, IL2 online is played
like "air quake" (with proper flight modelling though). This helps to
bring in new players, some of whom will go on to other play modes.

I think that one way ED could increase sales of Black Shark is to
create a dedicated server (apparently they will release one), rent
rackspace in various countries, and run co-op and team vs team servers
(with a cycle of good missions) with easy avionics and flight
model allowed (the current community is fairly hardcore and have
machines using realistic settings). They'd also have to change the way
multiplayer missions are created to allow players to use the
(currently AI) wingman commands for quick communications in the air.

The combat flightsim genre needs lots of new players and a high
quality non-hardcore option would go someway to attracting them. Not
having restrictive DRM on the DVD release would probably also be
required to attract non-hardcore flight-simmers.


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Scatter
Virtual Australian Airforce http://www.vaaf.net
Australian online Black Shark squadron now recruiting

Scatter wrote:
> On 2008-12-22, Jonathan Mars <JM DeleteThis @here.invalid> wrote:
>> Next up is Rise of Flight which is a high fidelity WWI flight sim.
>
> I'm sure I'll buy that too but in reality I prefer sims portraying
> modern aircraft. In delighted that the next DCS module was changed
> from the A10a to the A10c. I only hope that they change the Apache
> model A to a longbow as well.

I'm a bit disappointed the A10 is coming before the Apache. Already have
an A10 in LOMAC/FC so would rather get a brand spanking new
Apache/Longbow first. The Commanche in EE2 just doesn't cut it as it is
not a real world helicopter even. Comanche project was canceled and
never will be a real world helicopter either.

Jonathan Mars <JM.DeleteThis@here.invalid> writes:

> Scatter wrote:
>> On 2008-12-22, Jonathan Mars <JM.DeleteThis@here.invalid> wrote:
>>> Next up is Rise of Flight which is a high fidelity WWI flight sim.
>>
>> I'm sure I'll buy that too but in reality I prefer sims portraying
>> modern aircraft. In delighted that the next DCS module was changed
>> from the A10a to the A10c. I only hope that they change the Apache
>> model A to a longbow as well.
>
> I'm a bit disappointed the A10 is coming before the Apache. Already
> have an A10 in LOMAC/FC so would rather get a brand spanking new
> Apache/Longbow first. The Commanche in EE2 just doesn't cut it as it
> is not a real world helicopter even. Comanche project was canceled and
> never will be a real world helicopter either.

It's partly because they are doing A-10 stuff for military contracts,
so alot of things they need for the module is already existing.

Øystein
--
Roy Batty: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships
on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the
dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
like tears in rain. Time to die.

I'm with you. Finally a new helo sim and the first thing they are
going to add is an A10?? Either a Longbow or one of the EU's systems
would have been a LOT better and added to multiplayer scenarios. All
the squeakers will be grabbing an A10....

>On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:36:08 -0800, Jonathan Mars <JM RemoveThis @here.invalid> wrote:
>Scatter wrote:
>I'm a bit disappointed the A10 is coming before the Apache. Already have
>an A10 in LOMAC/FC so would rather get a brand spanking new
>Apache/Longbow first. The Commanche in EE2 just doesn't cut it as it is
>not a real world helicopter even. Comanche project was canceled and
>never will be a real world helicopter either.

""Øystein" Tvedten" <oysteint RemoveThis @ifi.uio.no> wrote in message
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> It's partly because they are doing A-10 stuff for military contracts,
> so alot of things they need for the module is already existing.

I guess it will be a much more high fidelity A10 than the one in LOMAC then?
Odd that the U.S. government would allow a Russian company to make a sim for
them. That means ED have access to all the classified data on the A10.

"Professor Digby" <prof.DeleteThis@here.invalid> writes:
>
> I guess it will be a much more high fidelity A10 than the one in LOMAC
> then? Odd that the U.S. government would allow a Russian company to
> make a sim for them. That means ED have access to all the classified
> data on the A10.

Just how much classified systems are there in an A-10, tho? It's not like
it's the highest tech fighter in the US Air Force.

Øystein
--
Roy Batty: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships
on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the
dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time,
like tears in rain. Time to die.

On 2008-12-29, Øystein Tvedten <oysteint.RemoveThis@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> Just how much classified systems are there in an A-10, tho? It's not like
> it's the highest tech fighter in the US Air Force.

The A10C is very modern and is just being rolled out. I don't think
that it has any ground breaking technologies though. Still, a lot of
military technology/data that you wouldn't consider high tech enough
to be classified is.

--
Scatter
Virtual Australian Air Force

Jonathan Mars <JM.RemoveThis@here.invalid> wrote in news:JnL3l.1093$NN4.230@en-nntp-
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> R wrote:
>
>> It does look better than FC but it's not a spectacular change to my
>> eyes. For me the visuals are good enough - it's the first new high
>> fidelity combat flight sim to come out for quite a while so it was a
>> "must buy" for me.
>>
>
> Next up is Rise of Flight which is a high fidelity WWI flight sim.



Good, it is about time. Air combat up close and personal
trumps jet sims any day, at least in my book. In the meantime
are there any others to recommend?