1st Edition Question

On Aug 29, 3:47 pm, WDS <B....TakeThisOut@seurer.net> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 5:32 pm, David Alex Lamb <dal....TakeThisOut@cs.queensu.ca> wrote:
>
> > The Mad Alchemist wrote:
> > > I seem to recall a rule that said that fighters get one attack per
> > > round per level, when fighting zero-level things such as kobolds.  but
> > > I can't seem to find the rule in either the PHB or DMG.  Did I imagine
> > > it?
>
> > For what it's worth, I recall such a rule too.
>
> That was in 2nd edition.

Nope- first edition. I never played second edition, and I distinctly
remember the rule being quoted to me in 1987 or before.

On Aug 29, 5:52 pm, The Mad Alchemist <tress....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 3:47 pm, WDS <B....TakeThisOut@seurer.net> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 29, 5:32 pm, David Alex Lamb <dal....TakeThisOut@cs.queensu.ca> wrote:
>
> > > The Mad Alchemist wrote:
> > > > I seem to recall a rule that said that fighters get one attack per
> > > > round per level, when fighting zero-level things such as kobolds.  but
> > > > I can't seem to find the rule in either the PHB or DMG.  Did I imagine
> > > > it?
>
> > > For what it's worth, I recall such a rule too.
>
> > That was in 2nd edition.
>
> Nope- first edition.  I never played second edition, and I distinctly
> remember the rule being quoted to me in 1987 or before.

I don't have 1st printings any more but I would look in the section on
combat and the section about fighters then.

The Mad Alchemist wrote:
> I seem to recall a rule that said that fighters get one attack per
> round per level, when fighting zero-level things such as kobolds. but
> I can't seem to find the rule in either the PHB or DMG. Did I imagine
> it?

For what it's worth, I recall such a rule too.

On Aug 29, 4:00 pm, Erik Trulsson <ertr1... DeleteThis @student.uu.se> wrote:

> No, you did not imagine it.
>
> Players Handbook, 1st ed., page 25 (right after the table showing attacks per
> round for fighters, paladins and rangers):
>
Of course- right after the section on rangers. The obvious place to
look for information on fighters.

(That's my excuse for not being able to find the table.)

Thanks.

That was true in 1st and 2nd edition.

In 3rd edition, that rule no longer exists - they have fighter feats that allow
multiple attacks per round

Cheers
JOanna

The Mad Alchemist <tressure RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> I've just started playing again, after a break of a few years.
>
> I seem to recall a rule that said that fighters get one attack per
> round per level, when fighting zero-level things such as kobolds. but
> I can't seem to find the rule in either the PHB or DMG. Did I imagine
> it?

No, you did not imagine it.

Players Handbook, 1st ed., page 25 (right after the table showing attacks per
round for fighters, paladins and rangers):

"Note: This excludes melee combat with monsters (q.v.) of less than one
hit die (d and non-exceptional (0 level) humans and
semi-humans, i.e. all-creatures with less than one eight-sided hit
die. All of these creatures entitle a fighter to attack once for each
of his or her experience levels (See COMBAT)."





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Erik Trulsson wrote:
> The Mad Alchemist <tressure DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've just started playing again, after a break of a few years.
>>
>> I seem to recall a rule that said that fighters get one attack per
>> round per level, when fighting zero-level things such as kobolds. but
>> I can't seem to find the rule in either the PHB or DMG. Did I imagine
>> it?
>
> No, you did not imagine it.
>
> Players Handbook, 1st ed., page 25 (right after the table showing attacks per
> round for fighters, paladins and rangers):
>
> "Note: This excludes melee combat with monsters (q.v.) of less than one
> hit die (d and non-exceptional (0 level) humans and
> semi-humans, i.e. all-creatures with less than one eight-sided hit
> die. All of these creatures entitle a fighter to attack once for each
> of his or her experience levels (See COMBAT)."

This rule derives from the original D&D set, whose rule derives from
CHAINMAIL, where Hero figures counted as four normal figures and rolled
four times on the combat tables against normal troops, and Super Heroes
counted as eight figures. When fighting against fantastic figures,
though (creatures and Heroes, Super Heroes, and Wizards), they rolled
only once on the Fantasy Combat table.

--
David
Stardate 8662.4

The Mad Alchemist wrote:

> On Aug 29, 4:00 pm, Erik Trulsson <ertr1....RemoveThis@student.uu.se> wrote:
>
>
>>No, you did not imagine it.
>>
>>Players Handbook, 1st ed., page 25 (right after the table showing attacks per
>>round for fighters, paladins and rangers):
>>
>
> Of course- right after the section on rangers. The obvious place to
> look for information on fighters.
>
> (That's my excuse for not being able to find the table.)
>
> Thanks.

I can remember playing a 26th level Ranger in 1E. He rocked against
orcs and giants! Took me six years to get him to that level. I have a
custom drawing of him on my wall.

--
Tetsubo
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"The apparent lesson of the Inquisition is that insistence on
uniformity of belief is fatal to intellectual, moral and spiritual health."
-The Uses Of The Past-, Herbert J. Muller

BLUP

On Aug 30, 2:40 am, Tetsubo <tets... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I can remember playing a 26th level Ranger in 1E. He rocked against
> orcs and giants! Took me six years to get him to that level. I have a
> custom drawing of him on my wall.

1e rangers vs. 1e giants were fun. When we switched to 2e,
the ranger got a big surprise---he actually had to ask for help
from the rest of the party to take out a frost giant. That first
hit for 1/3 hp or more was quite sobering.

The Mad Alchemist wrote:
> On Aug 29, 4:00 pm, Erik Trulsson <ertr1....DeleteThis@student.uu.se> wrote:
>
>> No, you did not imagine it.
>>
>> Players Handbook, 1st ed., page 25 (right after the table showing attacks per
>> round for fighters, paladins and rangers):
>>
> Of course- right after the section on rangers. The obvious place to
> look for information on fighters.
>
> (That's my excuse for not being able to find the table.)

This is traditionally one of those rules that everyone knows, but
finding it eludes everyone at some point. It happened to me once.

It's a rule for fighters, paladins, and rangers, which is why it appears
after all of them. Remember, paladins and rangers ARE fighters—they're
fighter sub-classes.

--
David
Stardate 8670.0

David Trimboli ha scritto:
> This is traditionally one of those rules that everyone knows, but
> finding it eludes everyone at some point. It happened to me once.
>
> It's a rule for fighters, paladins, and rangers, which is why it
> appears after all of them. Remember, paladins and rangers ARE
> fighters—they're fighter sub-classes.

Of course, having that *before* all of them, as a general rule of all
the "fighter" types, would have been possible too, and maybe easier to
find ^^

Parvati V
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http://parvatiquinta.blogspot.com/

In article <b6e24c2e-0203-4bec-93f8-3200df0493e8.TakeThisOut@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
The Mad Alchemist <tressure.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>I've just started playing again, after a break of a few years.
>
>I seem to recall a rule that said that fighters get one attack per
>round per level, when fighting zero-level things such as kobolds. but
>I can't seem to find the rule in either the PHB or DMG. Did I imagine
>it?

As other people have said, that's from previous editions - I
believe that the designers probably felt that Cleave and Great
Cleave adequately supplanted that.

--
"I know I promised, Lord, never again. But I also know
that YOU know what a weak-willed person I am."

I seem to recall from the mists of time that it was called "sweeping".
Against less-than-one-hit-die creatures a fighter could attack one creature
per level each round, making 1 attack and damage roll for all affected
creatures.

This was to accomodate fighters from having to roll needlessly against a
swarm of lesser foes.

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> <b6e24c2e-0203-4bec-93f8-3200df0493e8 RemoveThis @z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com>,
> The Mad Alchemist <tressure RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>I've just started playing again, after a break of a few years.
>>
>>I seem to recall a rule that said that fighters get one attack per
>>round per level, when fighting zero-level things such as kobolds. but
>>I can't seem to find the rule in either the PHB or DMG. Did I imagine
>>it?
>
> As other people have said, that's from previous editions - I
> believe that the designers probably felt that Cleave and Great
> Cleave adequately supplanted that.
>
> --
> "I know I promised, Lord, never again. But I also know
> that YOU know what a weak-willed person I am."